Should Wenger go?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yep because Jose ball is much more enetertainig i mean chelsea fans will tell you that.

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Honestly, I find it more entertaining....ever since Wenger switched from counter attacking to the boring slow paced overpassing style it's been hard to stay awake, add to that the fact the end result is as predictable as it gets and you do really end up with a very boring formula.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Judging by Inter's performances in the 2010 champions league semi final and the final then yes it could

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I watched that, thought they were very exciting and good to watch in the 1st leg, they handed Barca their arse on a plate to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Thats then this is now prices have gone up. VDV wa only cheap because Real wanted to flogg him not because it was his natural price.

Kompany has never been a £40 mill player so not sure why you'dbring him up.

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:lol: Come off it

Hiring Mourinho as a manager is like paying someone to have sex with your wife whilst you masturbate into a dishrag, the objective is acheived but it hardly seems worth it.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

You'd need to give Maureen money to buy a new midfield if we wanted to be particularly interesting. Gervinho's no Ronaldo, at the end of the day. Sexy as he is. Counterattacks can be very good to watch i.e. his Real team, but you'd need the right players who tend to cost a fair whack.

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He'd have some money, plus if we got rid of the dross we should have a fair bit more. What he does bring even without signings is tactics and an ability to get players working well together, he knows how to build a team and the difference will be almost instantly visible.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Until fairly recently you have, Wenger has been sh*t for years to be honest and you could see this disaster coming from a mile away.

That's up to you, personally don't have a problem with the guy, he's charismatic, entertaining and his teams are successful..he does do some questionnable things but not a lot of successful managers don't.

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It has been in excess of two years!

Mourinho is an utter slimeball. He is a sickening manifestation of how fucked up things have become that people like yourself no longer really care about genuine competition and just want to win at all costs never contemplating the hollowness of the 'victory' that results.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Hiring Mourinho as a manager is like paying someone to have sex with your wife whilst you masturbate into a dishrag, the objective is acheived but it hardly seems worth it.

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Having Wenger as manager is like watching your wife go off with someone older richer than you who actually has nothing else going for them.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Honestly, I find it more entertaining....ever since Wenger switched from counter attacking to the boring slow paced overpassing style it's been hard to stay awake, add to that the fact the end result is as predictable as it gets and you do really end up with a very boring formula.

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Not saying wengerball in interesting never was a fan off the pass pass like you like the counter stuff. Just don't think Jose chavs stuff was all that great when it could have been so much better and enjoyable he had the team for it.

Problem with wenger ball it could be effective the old man was delduded to think it could work would out top players that was the problem had he got them i guarentee he'd have got results at the end off it.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It has been in excess of two years!

Mourinho is an utter slimeball. He is a sickening manifestation of how fucked up things have become that people like yourself no longer really care about genuine competition and just want to win at all costs never contemplating the hollowness of the 'victory' that results.

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it of course, I disagree. People go way over the top about him IMO, I always found him entertaining at Chelsea...found it funny when he commented about the youth policy and how he'd love to be able to bring through kids without having to win anything like Wenger :lol:

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

:lol: Come off it

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So you don't thin VDV would have ever cost more then 8 mill if real wanted to keep him, or Kompany would have been sold for 40 mill at HSV. Maybe now he is but then no way.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He'd have some money, plus if we got rid of the dross we should have a fair bit more. What he does bring even without signings is tactics and an ability to get players working well together, he knows how to build a team and the difference will be almost instantly visible.

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Well I agree. I am just referring to those with fair concerns about dull football. The man had Eto'o playing right wing-back in the Champions League final, to be fair. But obviously with the Di Marias and Ronaldos of this world, he's able to do more and create an interesting counterattacking team. Some money would have to be a fair bit.

Just because I don't want that vermin Mourinho why would you assume that I give tacit agreement to Wenger either.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Having Wenger as manager is like watching your wife go off with someone older richer than you who actually has nothing else going for them.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not saying wengerball in interesting never was a fan off the pass pass like you like the counter stuff. Just don't think Jose chavs stuff was all that great when it could have been so much better and enjoyable he had the team for it.

Problem with wenger ball it could be effective the old man was delduded to think it could work would out top players that was the problem had he got them i guarentee he'd have got results at the end off it.

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I've never liked the post 2005 football to be honest, it just totally bores me...he wanted to build a team like Barca with vastly inferior players....it works for Barca because let's face it they have great players who not only pass well but no when to pass and also where their teammates are instinctively.

Seeing a organised team give 100% has it's merits IMO.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it of course, I disagree. People go way over the top about him IMO, I always found him entertaining at Chelsea...found it funny when he commented about the youth policy and how he'd love to be able to bring through kids without having to win anything like Wenger :lol:

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If he'd have loved it, he could have brought kids through, but it is easier to go nuts in the transfer market.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

So you don't thin VDV would have ever cost more then 8 mill if real wanted to keep him, or Kompany would have been sold for 40 mill at HSV. Maybe now he is but then no way.

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Those were some examples, there's always players around you can get at a decent price if you look hard enough, problem has been that we're never in for them....we either don't bid because Chelsea might outbid us or we don't bid because we want to spend our money on kids or nobodies. If you don't try you don't get.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Just because I don't want that vermin Mourinho why would you assume that I give tacit agreement to Wenger either.

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Because he cannot argue a point. So he'll waffle on about points you don't make or misrepresent those you do.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

Well I agree. I am just referring to those with fair concerns about dull football. The man had Eto'o playing right wing-back in the Champions League final, to be fair. But obviously with the Di Marias and Ronaldos of this world, he's able to do more and create an interesting counterattacking team. Some money would have to be a fair bit.

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He did sign some excellent players for Inter and if you watched them against Barca in the 1st leg of the CL they were superb (not seen many teams give Barca such a tonking).

Generally his tactical decision are pretty good, but every manager makes mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Just because I don't want that vermin Mourinho why would you assume that I give tacit agreement to Wenger either.

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Fair point, you don't like him and I get that...I just don't see him as the evil force that some of you guys see him as......winners are rarely liked.

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Originally Posted by GB.

If he'd have loved it, he could have brought kids through, but it is easier to go nuts in the transfer market.

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He didn't have the choice, failure wasn't an option for him....same can't be said for Wenger, he's been a failure a long long time now and he still has a job paying 6 million a year.....impressive really can't think of many professions where you'd last that long.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Because he cannot argue a point. So he'll waffle on about points you don't make or misrepresent those you do.

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You use to be funny, now you're just bitter.

We disagree about Mourinho, you hate him I don't mind him.

I do dislike Wenger though.

Mourinho is smart enough to adapt the football to the players he has I'd say. And I seriously doubt he'd go to Arsenal thinking he'd have the same amount of money to spend as he has had at other clubs.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Mourinho is smart enough to adapt the football to the players he has I'd say. And I seriously doubt he'd go to Arsenal thinking he'd have the same amount of money to spend as he has had at other clubs.

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I don't think we have any chance of getting him, nor do I think we'll try as the people upstairs want a yes man unfortunately (and he certainly isn't that) but I agree with you he does get the best out of what he's got and is very adaptable.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

You use to be funny, now you're just bitter.

We disagree about Mourinho, you hate him I don't mind him.

I do dislike Wenger though.

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You've mellowed lol you hated him the other day lol

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

You've mellowed lol you hated him the other day lol

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Hate is a strong word, I don't hate him but what he's doing to this club is borderline criminal......he's destroying all the good work he had done....it's awful to watch it happen and keep happening.

Its amazing you know, people always know what they dont want yet never come up with a viable solution.

AW's time is over!!!

We will never see an invincible time again no matter who we have in charge.

We have gone backwards with the same available funds as other managers because of our currant managers principles.

This is our club not his. I for one have not been sold by his principles and downright lie's for a long time.

It is without doubt a time to change, to move forward.

This manager will only take stock and make sure the "business" is looking good on the balance sheet.

Thing is we as a club are at a tipping point. We go out of the CL reconing at the end of the season it may take a few years to get back. Im not sure I feel safe handing any amount of money to a manager that has wasted it in netto's for the last 3-4 seasons.

We simply have to change now or it could put us back further.

Im not saying we will not be able to attract players to ensure we have a better stab at getting CL qualification again. After all Spurs have done that, and it speaks volumes.Who would have thought Harry(second hand car salesman)Redknapp could build a far better squad that play better football than us and in the process outwit a seemingly intelligent man who is reveered worldwide.

Has it all been talk for the last few seasons without real thought? Who knows, only Wenger himself. Im not having people make so many excuses for him. If he is brilliant prove it, prove it in a time where you could have a massive impact and ensure your legacy is put back in its place. Lets not forget his misgivings and terrible terrible decisions though. Put it right Wenger I challenge you.

Thing is as much as winning the things he did in the past have given him the right to take time to rebuild a side and we have had patience with him. Its now been too long and that time of patience and poor decisions and terrible purchases needs to be questioned more so now than ever because those decions have cost the club and we are on decline.

As I said we are at a tipping point. Things have gone backwards because of incompetance. These people running our club including Wenger should be accountable but alas they have bought into business not glory of which this club was built on.

Mr Chapman Im sorry on behalf of these fools. Im sure you turn in your grave.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

You'd need to give Maureen money to buy a new midfield if we wanted to be particularly interesting. Gervinho's no Ronaldo, at the end of the day. Sexy as he is. Counterattacks can be very good to watch i.e. his Real team, but you'd need the right players who tend to cost a fair whack.

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He'd need a lot of cash here because hardly any of our players are what you'd typically call Mourinho players. He'd flog Arteta and Ramsey in an instant and buy 2 solid all action centre mids and build from there. Gervais, Arshavin and Walnut will be told to sort their lives out or they'll be gone as well.

The reason I wouldn't mind him is because he is extremely ruthless, basically if you're not with him, you're against him. Some of our players are in need of some tough love and he'd certainly shake things up. He'd make us hard to beat and that is something Wenger has failed miserably at.

Of course the off putting thing is that he's a massive **** with an ego guranteed to land the club in hot water. I'm not even sure how long he'd stay as well. I fully expect him to win the league with Madrid this year, then do his attention seeking ritual of throwing his medal into the crowd so everyone starts reading into it and talking about his next move.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Hate is a strong word, I don't hate him but what he's doing to this club is borderline criminal......he's destroying all the good work he had done....it's awful to watch it happen and keep happening.

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That has to be the nicedt thing you have said about him in the last year lol i do agree though. this is why i say he should resign, then apologise to the fans (get some respect back from the fans). the board need go with him and move on from there. Like you say time to show ambiton from top to bottom even if we don't sign the best in the world at lest get quality with ambiton amd stong mentality. even if we only win the cc next season it could be a slow start in the right direction to go in.

Like GB said new manager or not it could take a while to get back to where we were.

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Originally Posted by Fats

Its amazing you know, people always know what they dont want yet never come up with a viable solution.

AW's time is over!!!

We will never see an invincible time again no matter who we have in charge.

We have gone backwards with the same available funds as other managers because of our currant managers principles.

This is our club not his. I for one have not been sold by his principles and downright lie's for a long time.

It is without doubt a time to change, to move forward.

This manager will only take stock and make sure the "business" is looking good on the balance sheet.

Thing is we as a club are at a tipping point. We go out of the CL reconing at the end of the season it may take a few years to get back. Im not sure I feel safe handing any amount of money to a manager that has wasted it in netto's for the last 3-4 seasons.

We simply have to change now or it could put us back further.

Im not saying we will not be able to attract players to ensure we have a better stab at getting CL qualification again. After all Spurs have done that, and it speaks volumes.Who would have thought Harry(second hand car salesman)Redknapp could build a far better squad that play better football than us and in the process outwit a seemingly intelligent man who is reveered worldwide.

Has it all been talk for the last few seasons without real thought? Who knows, only Wenger himself. Im not having people make so many excuses for him. If he is brilliant prove it, prove it in a time where you could have a massive impact and ensure your legacy is put back in its place. Lets not forget his misgivings and terrible terrible decisions though. Put it right Wenger I challenge you.

Thing is as much as winning the things he did in the past have given him the right to take time to rebuild a side and we have had patience with him. Its now been too long and that time of patience and poor decisions and terrible purchases needs to be questioned more so now than ever because those decions have cost the club and we are on decline.

As I said we are at a tipping point. Things have gone backwards because of incompetance. These people running our club including Wenger should be accountable but alas they have bought into business not glory of which this club was built on.

Mr Chapman Im sorry on behalf of these fools. Im sure you turn in your grave.

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No one said it was not.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No one said it was not.

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I agree but it's a two-fold problem that is as much the board's responsibility as his. I also think as much as Wenger should go....employing a mercenary like Mourinho would undermine everything this club is about.......a man who causes a referee to retire from the game out of fear of death threats and refuses to even condemn the fans who made such threats is an enemy of the game, no-one says that you have to be a saint but there has to be a line somewhere, at some fundamental level you have to show other people some respect......you can't curtail everything just to suit the furtherance of your own ambition.
I strongly believe Mourinho is an anathema to everything football should represent, and I think in the unlikely event this club became interest in his dubious services it would have finally sold it's soul.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Hate is a strong word, I don't hate him but what he's doing to this club is borderline criminal......he's destroying all the good work he had done....it's awful to watch it happen and keep happening.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Mourinho is smart enough to adapt the football to the players he has I'd say. And I seriously doubt he'd go to Arsenal thinking he'd have the same amount of money to spend as he has had at other clubs.

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He is. I was talking purely in the context of interesting football. He is certainly good enough to adapt to his players.

The best thing I have heard all day

Charlie the Gooner has now been successfully added to your ignore list. You will now be returned to where you were.

Whats that an adult conversation?:pal:

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I've never liked the post 2005 football to be honest, it just totally bores me...he wanted to build a team like Barca with vastly inferior players....it works for Barca because let's face it they have great players who not only pass well but no when to pass and also where their teammates are instinctively.

Seeing a organised team give 100% has it's merits IMO.

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also their strength.

people always underestimate their strength and think they can kick them off the park.

they may be short but unlike our players are stocky and hard. alves, iniesta, xavi, pique, valdes all love a scrap.

we on the other hand have a bunch of absolute pussies. no strength or aggression so when our passing doesnt work (which is all the time) we get kicked off the park.

wengers going for the wrong type of player.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

He'd need a lot of cash here because hardly any of our players are what you'd typically call Mourinho players. He'd flog Arteta and Ramsey in an instant and buy 2 solid all action centre mids and build from there. Gervais, Arshavin and Walnut will be told to sort their lives out or they'll be gone as well.

The reason I wouldn't mind him is because he is extremely ruthless, basically if you're not with him, you're against him. Some of our players are in need of some tough love and he'd certainly shake things up. He'd make us hard to beat and that is something Wenger has failed miserably at.

Of course the off putting thing is that he's a massive **** with an ego guranteed to land the club in hot water. I'm not even sure how long he'd stay as well. I fully expect him to win the league with Madrid this year, then do his attention seeking ritual of throwing his medal into the crowd so everyone starts reading into it and talking about his next move.

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That's the main thing to applaud about his work. He is a twonk, but his ability to get his players onside in most circumstances is practically unmatched. Along the lines of what Mac says, he could probably formulate something competitive with the existing players. That's his strength. Probably effective but not very interesting, unless he got substantial funds.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

You use to be funny, now you're just bitter.

We disagree about Mourinho, you hate him I don't mind him.

I do dislike Wenger though.

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The point and the one that preceded it were nothing to do with Wenger. Discuss/argue the points made, don't put things into people's posts that are not there.

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Originally Posted by Fats

Mr Chapman Im sorry on behalf of these fools. Im sure you turn in your grave.

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

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I was talking about tonight, no one has said in this thread tonight they want wenger to stay or his time is not over.

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Originally Posted by Fats

The best thing I have heard all day

Charlie the Gooner has now been successfully added to your ignore list. You will now be returned to where you were.Whats that an adult conversation?:pal:

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Not sure where you got that from but im sure i'll live. If the best thing you have heard is someone ignoring me someone you don't know then i pitty you fella i really do.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not sure where you got that from but im sure i'll live. If the best thing you have heard is someone ignoring me someone you don't know then i pitty you fella i really do.

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Charlie's mental month resumes. :bow: