Cos hes an Arsenal player who wants to play for us but doesnt accept the BS Wenger keeps spouting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
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Cos hes an Arsenal player who wants to play for us but doesnt accept the BS Wenger keeps spouting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
none of them do (bar jack and jenks) but the important thing is that we try and retain those that at least offer something when they are on the pitch. he does that. so in a situation when we are sinking down the plughole i'd rather we kept those that at least work in this system and can stick the ball in the net or set something up. because once his stats leave the team - who is there to replace them? as we are seeing at the moment, absolutely no-one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
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Originally Posted by JoshGooner
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Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Not saying you have to, but SAF is no fool, he won't buy Theo and play him as a striker he just won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by NoeLDG
If he says i want out, then everyone knows where we stand. We ask the manager and the board be honest with us, then players should to. People were upset with RVP because of what he did on his website. Had he attacked the board and manager then people may have been ok with that. He just seemed to take it out on the club and to hell with the fans, who loved him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Rumours flyers around...take it with a pinch of salt because it's Twitter, but supposedly he's agreed terms with Chelsea.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if it's true.
:lol: As seen with the RVP case, some fans need babying when it comes to how much is disclosed. The club tried to make out that RVP wanted to leave for City and wanted more money but RVP revealed what actaully happened. Talks went sour and there wasn't an offical contract offer made by the club. We had already decided to sell after the talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
That makes no sense. He did attack the Board and Wenger by saying who was present during the meeting and said they lacked ambition. Was he lying?Quote:
Had he attacked the board and manager then people may have been ok with that. He just seemed to take it out on the club and to hell with the fans, who loved him.
Money, position, seeing what clubs are interested.
All things all players do when renewing their contract.
RVP kept Prasing Wenger, instead of saying he failed him etc. Anyway you look at it RVC suck 2 fingers up at the fans no matter how the club treated him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by selassie
Rubbish. Fans will take issue with any key player that wants to leave the club even if the reasons are valid and something they agree with. There wasn't a thing RVP could say to stop the backlash. With Cesc, he kept his mouth shut throughout his ordeal with Barca and he was getting pelted for it and people said he should 'man up' and speak for himself.
RVP does that and he still gets pelted. He didn't stick two fingers up at the fans and didn't take any parting shots the way Nasri or Ade did.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
His 'statement for the fans' was nothing more than a massive 'fuck you' to all of us and you have to be massively up his arse to not see it.
Pretty much, nothing wrong with what RVP said to be honest, he wasn't disrepectful he said it as it was and I personally respect him for that. We knew the club lacked ambition he simply confirmed it so that noone can question this anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
You're right though, fans will criticise a player for leaving...so it's damned if you do damned if you don't. I personally can't see why a top player would want to stay with us right now, what have we really got on offer to make them stay....a 4th place trophy? Please only Wenger and the board give a sh*t about that.
Nothing RVP says was negative about the fans, he talked about Wenger and the board not the fans, I don't like to see our best players leave but I've accepted we're not really giving them any incentives to stay so we can't be surprised when they move on.
On the subject of Walcott, well he'll get more money elsewhere and probably a better chance of success as well for a start, so isn't that an incentive to leave in itself?
He's not being played in the position he wants either, so it's hard to see why he'd choose to stay.
No problem with what RVP said. The problem lies with who he joined so fuck the ****. If the Theo rumours to chelsea are true, good luck to him
True but we made the choice to sell him to them, there was a time where we'd have never considered it.
If you believe that Van persie loved the fans or the club then more fool you. Theo is diffrent, IMO more fans would get behind him, as he go in a dignified way, not write stuff on his website and then go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
This, least Th14, Paddy V, Cesc, had the respect for the fans to play abroad. RVP wanted to go to UTD, was not forced he wanted to go there ad fergie said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Got no problem with him leaving, don't mean he don't deserve to be booed.
Yeah we sold him, nothing stops him going to Jueventus or a PSG. For all his talk of i love this club, then his 1st choice to go to UTD, pretty much said fuck you to the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Pretty much. Don't blame That on RVC, blame in for the boy inside him tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Maybe he didn't fancy playing in France or Italy, moving to a new country isn't always a simple decision, in addition out of those three teams, Man U are in the biggest league and have the best chance of success in Europe as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
It's not like Barca or Real came in for him.
In reality though, it's not like the old days for me, we not really rivals of Man U anymore.
Nope, Henry, Patrick V, Got criticised for leaving, don't even think Cesc did. Players that disrect the club and its fans get criticised and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
No true, the reaction to those was they're past it....so it's a good thing they moved on (I don't agree with this btw) in addition they'd won loads with us and wanted to add the CL to their CV. Fans also thought Wenger decided to sell them (which makes it ok for some reason?) Only Cesc was young when he left and he got criticism for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
Then why not wait ti run his contract down, then he'd have the pick of the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
He's 29 probably didn't want to waste anymore time winning diddly squat, time isn't on his side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
It's like talking to children. Both you and Charlie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Clear examples of what I'm talking about. No common sense. The type of people that will slate a player for holding his cards close to chest, like the Cesc situation, but if the true we're spoken you'd have no idea how to take it and think he's personally insulted you. :doh:
Check out Charlie...one minute he says Theo needs to speak up and say what he's doing but on the other hand judges the RVP situation in a totally different light and is slating him. Inconsistent.
No what i saying is if Theo comes out and says i want to leave, we'd all know where we stand. Will fan boo him? maybe. RVP on the other hand kept the fans waiting. Till he made some statement on his website. That was not only a fuck you to the club but fans too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I never said Theo should say he hates the club etc. Just if he wants to go say so.
RVP was banned from talking to the press after he held talks with Wenger and Gazidis. They slapped an embargo on him and then tried to screw him over by making it out that he was after City money and fans started turning on him from that point on. He puts out a statement to clear things up and somehow it made things worse. People were saying it made it impossible for us to keep him and position at the club untenable which was rubbish. We bought Poldolski early, before the window even opened and Giroud straight after those contract talks and before the Euros kicked off. We didn't even have a contract offer on the table for him because the talks were so bad. We knew we couldn't keep him and it stems back to months before where Wenger questioned the sense of offering a huge salary to player that's almost at the end of his performance peak. That hint that we'd sell was dropped months ago and people still don't get it. It's unbelievable that we keep having these sort of discussions about players. It's the same way people were quick to say it's okay to let Song go and lap up the rubbish about him being lazy in training. We now see how much of mistake it was to sell.
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GW :bow:
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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
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I think Fans got mad at RVP for where he went. I was pissed but you can hardly blame him for going there, look at him/them now. It's all about ambition, we all know it is right? It's got fuck all to do with money when the club you play for happily sells it's best players every single summer, not 1, but 2 at a time these days.
Don't worry though, we all take comfort from the fact we're told we're selling our stars for footballing reasons. :rolleyes:
I miss old GW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
And I wish Walcott would hurry up and make his mind up/just announce it publicly...
don't think theo should do any such thing, what and deny us this much fun on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss
don't do anything theo stay as you are
True, it pisses me off to see him wearing that Manure shirt and seeing him score every week. But before he moved to Man Utd and when he released that statement, it was mayhem. Threads on here, his Twitter account, you saw that Youtube clip of the Arsenal fans going into one. That statement caused a serious backlash. That's why it's best the players just to say nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
So do i tbh. everyone seemed more relaxed tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmas Is Boss
Easily worth £175k per week.
Top scorer and our attack can't function without him. Clearly he's going to be sold this winter/summer. :coffee:
Played upfront and did more than any of our other strikers this season
Keep him up there and get him to sign
His movement created a lot of space.
Tbh I think the space was always there. That's why, as MS said, Podolski and Chamberlain found some success too. Nobody had to be work too hard today. Cazorla found it all too easy and netted 3 times. Walcott did his job well (including hold-up play). His pace offers a simple out ball and you don't get that option with anyone else. Walcott's goal was superbly taken too.
Really hope he signs a new contract because we're absolutely sick of it. It's not a numbing feeling it's just pure frustration. We keep seeing youngsters develop into quality players - they make their mistakes with us and we suffer through each one. Once they've learned enough to be good, we can't hold on to them. Wilshere says he has been trying to persuade Theo all year but I think we're past the point where we can expect good news.
It's not his movement as such because he makes the wrong decision more times than the right one. It's his pace and the threat of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory