So disappointing.
Really thought Emery could have been the kind of modern coach we had all pined for.
So disappointing.
Really thought Emery could have been the kind of modern coach we had all pined for.
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Originally Posted by Özim
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Originally Posted by Özim
Has zim how he always thought emery wasnt the right person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I didn't want to sound negative at the time but I was very dubious about Emery's away record. Seems he can't get a tune at home neither right now. He's not a manager for a top club.
Haha fucking ell I don’t know what I’m taking about! But seriously many of us were excited to be getting PSG’s manager and one of the most successful ones at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
He’s clearly not for to manage us and really I think it’s time to go.
Right. I’m not going to lol at Cripps for his other posts in this thread but this was a common expectation when Emery came to us. One of Wenger’s big failings was not seeming to prepare us for the opposition. Emery was said to be meticulous in his preparation for each game but there’s precious little evidence of that. I can’t even see the way he’s trying to get us playing, there doesn’t seem to me any particular plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
What she said... :ladynana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Not overly optimistic. Although was wrong and being no different to rodgersQuote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Wishful thinking and I actually thought PSG played some decent football and attacked well when he was in charge, sadly it seems that was more due to Neymar than Emery and our football is awful, attacking is average and defence is dreadful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Everyone gets it wrong sometime, oone could have envisaged this guy would have turned out as bad as he has, he was never first choice for me, or indeed one of the top picks but I preferred him over Arteta who would have been just as bad. I'm quick shocked at how bad Emery has been though, no leadership, no plan, illogical decisions and no improvement in any area which considering how average we were is pretty shocking.
What we needed is a bettr shortlist with the likes of Allegri, Simeone and Ancelotti on it, sadly Gazidis was in charge and over his tenure with he failed to deliver on every occasion.
Every single Prem game home and away is now a slog under Emery, regardless of opposition. There should at least be some matches where things click and we win comfortably. I can't understand why Raul and Edu would let this continue. Emery seems like a decent enough guy, but unfortunately he is out of his depth and needs to go ASAP.
i agree, we can't afford to wait until the end of the season we could lose several very good players if they're not sure he's goingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Actually agree with this. I didn’t know loads about Emery but 3 Europa Leagues in a row is good going and the things we heard about him meticulously planning for the opposition sounded encouraging. Really disappointed to see no improvement anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Be careful what you wish for... ™
Ornstein reckons emery will be the rest of the season. 100% backing blah blah..
Southampton next at home.
Madness
Well that’s one way to ensure a mid table finish.
Unbelievably they were encouraged by the performance against Leicester
Honestly don't know what goes through these peoples heads, we'll be wasting another season and then next season no CL money, we'll be hindered by our investments in players this summer which are rolled over to the next few years mostly and we'll have to start from scratch again, what is wrong with this club, must they make the wrong choice very single time? It's no wonder this club is going down the pan, even the people who have a record of success and come onboard either leave or conform and turn out to be just as bad as their predecessors.Quote:
Somewhat incredibly, Arsenal’s hierarchy were actually encouraged by the performance of the side against Leicester and feel there were ‘clear signs of improvement’. Head of football Raul Sanllehi and technical director Edu were both at the King Power and there is a recognition that Leicester – who are currently second in the table – are a formidable outfit, especially at home.
The reality is we're now 9 points behind Leicester and 8 points outisde the CL places, we should be much better than them anyway and a club who are on a transfer ban Chelsea are also way above us and look a much better side than we are. On top of that all season we've beenreally poor all round, what more evidence does anyone need that it's not working. This is giving someone time all over again!
https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/10/arsen...feat-11073469/
Our last 19 league matches (half a seasons worth) have seen us pick up 6 wins, 6 draws and 7 defeats. We got 24 points. That’s less than 50 points over 38 matches. That’s the form of a relegation side. The boards have to be lying if they say they’re 100% behind this loser.
Well reports are saying that the board are 100% behind Emery and Arsenal are heading in the right direction so if relegation is the right direction they're spot on. :censored:
i think that is 10 points clear of normal relegation points... as teams like Norwich and Newcastle look to 40 points as being safe. so we are comfortably clear of being relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Fantastic!
So our new target is 4th!
Fourth from bottom.
Utterly depressing news this morning. Let's face it we would be well advised simply to ignore Arsenal for the rest of this season to preserve our sanity. Bad times.:sulk:
Be CaReFuL wHaT yOu WiSh FoR...
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I’m pretty sure no Arsenal fan wished for this.
No, nor did any Arsenal fan wish for Emery to be honest, he was the best of a bad bunch from the shortlist we got lumbered with by Gazidis. Most people would have wanted a hig profile top manager. Only the club decided this guy or Arteta were the options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
You were pretty happy when we got Emery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You one of the "anyone would do better than Wenger" brigade.
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Any manager would be better than Wenger.
Apart from Emery, of course. Not him.
hindsight is great. Emery managed PSG and won the league, won 3 Europa leagues... so he isn't a nobody with no pedigree at all. Just hasn't worked out for us. He isn't the right manager to take us forward/stop us moving backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Just not doing anything about it... shouldn't be the option.
Yeah, but it's not hindsight, is it? I wasn't the one going on and on about how inept Wenger was and how literally anyone would do better.
I was the one saying that the club has other problems - Kronke for one - and simply removing Wenger, although that needed to happen, wouldn't immediately fix everything.
That said, I expected Emery to do better than he has. The talk about his meticulous preparation for each game sounded encouraging.
Some of us actually knew this would happen. Because guess what, this is the same crap that's happened at every club he's coached at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Remember the job he had before PSG, were the players went to the owner and told him if Emery doesn't go, they ain't playing.
But enough of Emery.
This is a club that's being run by people who don't seem to understand that they are overseeing a club in London, that plays in England.
No one making major decisions, knows anything bout this club or the league. Just a bunch of Spanish jobbers, who managed to finesse Kroenke and Gazidis.
I'm not going to pretend I knew this would happen - I don't follow football closely enough, I didn't imagine Emery would be this useless.
But I did know that Wenger wasn't as bad as some on here were pretending, I knew the owner was a problem and simply removing Wenger wasn't going to fix that.
Emery hasn't done the things I thought he'd do but the notion that Wenger was this bumbling idiot and so inept that anyone would do better has been shown to be horseshit.
Didn't know much about Emery, but he had an impressive trophy haul and sounded meticulous to the nth degree. However, I always felt his away record was ominous and didn't really see how or why that should be ignored.
Now we can't even get it together at home.
The point of no return for this Club which has culminated in this mess was when Klopp went to Liverpool.
That was the point where Wenger should have either walked or let go by the Club.
Klopp was exactly what we needed, when we needed it.
At that point, Wenger’s legacy would not have been as tarnished. Also, this Club could have turned things around rather than put the foot down on the accelerator to oblivion.
I didn’t expect Emery to be this bad tbh. At the very least I thought he’d be able to improve the defence but inexplicably we’re somehow worse at the back and playing football that is even more dire than what we saw at the end of Wenger’s reign.
Emery is not a Mickey Mouse coach, plenty of better coaches than him have failed in high profile jobs. It’s about finding the right fit and we got the appointment wrong. Tear it up and start again, just like any normal club would. At this rate we will end up midtable if Emery is given the season to work it out. He’s had long enough to make an impact and we’ve barely had a sniff of improvement.
I think we went through this the other day. I was ecstatic Wenger was gone (and still am) and happy we didn't employ Arteta. The only choice we had was Arteta or Emery, on that basis I preferred Emery and on paper he looked decent at least, turns out he's awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Make no mistake though, he wasn't who I would have wished for.
Yes, because any idiot would do better than Wenger... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
He got rid of a fair amount of dross, which Wenger would have never done, so I'm pleased about that. It hasn't worked out for Emery, he's lost his way but with Wenger we were only going one way, we failed to qualify for the CL for two seasons running, the football was pretty boring, he wouldn't bring in the right players and he had no ambition, we were on a hiding to nothing with him, if he'd stayed we'd have just carried on going backwards and being thumped by top sides repeatedly the way that no other Arsenal manager has been. Before he arrived thumpings were almost unheard of, he made them something that we expected against the top sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Like I said though, Emery would not have been the manager I would have chosen, but I have no regrets about us getting rid of Wenger, it was actually quite a few years too late, by the time he left the squad was in tatters and we barly had a decent player left in the squad and had lost countless players for next to nothing or nothing, he really handicapped us with his performance in the last few years.
That's what we should be doing, recognising it hasn't worked and getting rid and trying again, not doing exactly what we did with Wenger and sticking with him even though he's not performing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I guess that's the difference between a top club and a club where winning is secondary.
Sensible post. The general feeling when Emery was appointed was that he was a bit unexpected but not an obvious bad fit for a club that needed to transition after Wenger's dominance and had top 4 aspirations. And for most of last season Emery more or less fulfilled his expectations. Its revisionist to claim anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
What is surprising is (1) how we utterly blew up in the last 6 weeks of the season and (2) how the board cannot see the patantly obvious now - that Emery is a busted flush. There is no hope of him turning things round because there is no plan; no understanding of what is going wrong; no direction and no backbone in this manager.