Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

No, all we established was that you’re a cunt.


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How shameful :sulk:

You've no right calling me that, remind me again, how many substitutions you have made?

Do any of you lot work?

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Do any of you lot work?

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Poisoning your colleagues through the by products of chronic flatulence aggravated by eating sprouts isn’t working

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Originally Posted by Özim

Noone thinks it's solely down to the players he won titles, more that he required those ingredients to win them and is incapable of finding them himself.

In terms of how good a manager he is, I'd say not particularly good as he's effectively unable to build a top side in his own right, he requires key ingredients to be there to begin with.

His weaknesses are glaringly obvious and when you look at strengths vs weaknesses and the fact he came into the game with a bit of an advantage in that he knew the French market at a time scouting wasn't as well developed and when French football was at it's peak also made a big different, this wasn't so much a strength as an advantage.

Since 2004 he's done very little of note and you won't find many top managers that go 14 years without really challenging or winning one of the top trophies available to them.

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How many players at the club were there prior to his arrival during the unbeaten season

It’s fair to say this was a team he built himself

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Originally Posted by HCZ

If Wenger has no strengths then he cannot he held responsible for what’s happening now

If it was totally down to the players and nothing to do with him winning three titles, then it’s totally down to the players and nothing to do with him that we’ve lost four in a row and eight in 14.

His strengths were in identifying players of great talent that other clubs had overlooked and unlocking their potential, any claim to the contrary that Henry was destined to be a world class striker is unfalsifiable.

His strengths were giving that back line of the George Graham era more time in the game than they would otherwise have had.

And then building a new defence as they did retire. Was he directly involved in Ashley Cole’s development.....maybe not but he saw his potential to pick him, he bought in Lauren as the replacement for Dixon. He convinced Sol Campbell to come here, he utilised a midfielder from a club in the Ivory Coast to be his centre back partner.

He relied on the character and drive of other players past and present to win titles.

Does that justify giving him unprecedented power, to ignore all other advice and believe solely in his own counsel. No

But denying he has any strengths?, it’s based on little other than resentment and petulance.

How dare he not fuck off the arrogant cunt. I need to totally disconstruct him.

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Precious little you've given him there.

He knew the French football scene better than anyone else here.

He's a good fitness instructor.

He gives young players an opportunity, even though he has no idea how to coach them.

And he shifted Henry from the wing to the centre.

Two of those have long since expired, one could be offset by the fact that while he does give young players a chance, he hardly ever plays them in the proper position. And the final one, sure, he's always been into the fitness aspect and undoubtedly he transformed the club and even English football in that respect.

But in the end, even by your own measure, he has hardly anything going for him as a football coach.

Big difference between being a football manager and a football coach

Was Ferguson the best coach? Did he individually work with Giggs, Scholes, Beckham to make them what they are

In the end Ferguson didn’t even take training sessions himself

A manager is largely at the end of the day the public face for a team effort. No one achieves it alone, and the main talent of any manager is knowing how to delegate responsibility to others knowing you’re own strengths and weaknesses knowing the strengths and weaknesses of those around you and coordinating it to achieve your vision

What happened with Wenger is that he became everything man manager, coach, scout etc and ended up doing none of these things well.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

But in the end, even by your own measure, he has hardly anything going for him as a football coach.

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And yet, he took boring boring Arsenal to the most successful period in our modern history playing a style of football which is pretty much the best I've ever seen.
He kept us in the top 4 during a tricky stadium move when finances were restricted and the billionaires were buying their way in to the top table.
And latterly while failing in the biggest competitions he's won 3 FA Cups in 4 years, the last one being just last year.

Does he need to go? Yes. With our resources this failure to compete is not good enough. But let's not pretend that he was never any good. I honestly think it's as simple as he was ahead of his time, but that time was 20 years ago.
I don't understand the need to not only want him out but to deny he was ever any good in the first place. This is the final stage of ZD - acting towards him like you're his bitter ex and claiming you never loved him in the first place.

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Originally Posted by HCZ

Poisoning your colleagues through the by products of chronic flatulence aggravated by eating sprouts isn’t working

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I've read that 3 times and I have no idea what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Do any of you lot work?

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I'm at work now, but I jump on here every now and then :good:

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Originally Posted by Vieira

I've read that 3 times and I have no idea what you're saying.

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Eating sprouts and then loudly and violently guffing doesn’t count as working