Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

How is that relevant to us? I think you're getting swept away by the hype machine. You're proposing we take one component of a very well oiled machine and place it in our flawed, mismanaged and broken system but expect the same/better results than what Leicester were able to achieve. The whole is greater than the sum of parts when talking about Leicester.

We have the sort of cowardly 'modern' yet outdated manager you speak of. You've seen what Wenger has done with younger English players from lower leagues. I have no faith in this manager getting the best out of Vardy. Best believe, he'll hit a point where he'll doubt himself and the support system he had at Leicester won't be there. I don't know if he has the mentality to coach himself out of funk and when big pressure is on him and I'd rather not take the risk if he's not the only option on the table.

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I'm not expecting the team to suddenly start playing like Leicester. But I can only see Vardy playing one way, direct football. Sure, if Wenger buys him and decides to try and turn him into one of his tip, tap merchants, well of course sometimes there's nothing anyone can do about Wenger. But even for Wenger, you know what you are getting with Vardy and if you make the bid then it must be with something that Vardy brings in mind? I think we'd have to change our system to accommodate him and the one thing I want to see almost as much as Wenger leaving is a change in the shit awful system.

Okay so maybe the manager gets nothing out of him. But that could be the case with any player we bring in. I think there's less chance of it with some players and more chance with others. Vardy is a good bet as far as I can see. He's available, the price is right for this cheapskate club, it makes good sense.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'm not expecting the team to suddenly start playing like Leicester. But I can only see Vardy playing one way, direct football. Sure, if Wenger buys him and decides to try and turn him into one of his tip, tap merchants, well of course sometimes there's nothing anyone can do about Wenger. But even for Wenger, you know what you are getting with Vardy and if you make the bid then it must be with something that Vardy brings in mind? I think we'd have to change our system to accommodate him and the one thing I want to see almost as much as Wenger leaving is a change in the shit awful system.

Okay so maybe the manager gets nothing out of him. But that could be the case with any player we bring in. I think there's less chance of it with some players and more chance with others. Vardy is a good bet as far as I can see. He's available, the price is right for this cheapskate club, it makes good sense.

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I get that but with a player like Vardy that has come from such a small club and humble beginnings, I worry he'd be like a fish out of water. We don't really need direct. We need an all round great player. Someone that can be direct, play on the shoulder, link up play.....we need RVP level. Elite. Vardy is not that. We're at the very start of the transfer window and he should not be so far up on the list. Not even close. He shouldn't be our first option. He's a last resort if nobody is around and we're staring at the prospect of another Giroud. In fact, I don't even think Vardy would be an automatic first team starter over Giroud.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I get that but with a player like Vardy that has come from such a small club and humble beginnings, I worry he'd be like a fish out of water. We don't really need direct. We need an all round great player. Someone that can be direct, play on the shoulder, link up play.....we need RVP level. Elite. Vardy is not that. We're at the very start of the transfer window and he should not be so far up on the list. Not even close. He shouldn't be our first option. He's a last resort if nobody is around and we're staring at the prospect of another Giroud. In fact, I don't even think Vardy would be an automatic first team starter over Giroud.

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Totally agree with this, he should be a last choice rather than 1st, but the problem is the manager is trying to pay as little as possible rather than doing the necessary.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I get that but with a player like Vardy that has come from such a small club and humble beginnings, I worry he'd be like a fish out of water. We don't really need direct. We need an all round great player. Someone that can be direct, play on the shoulder, link up play.....we need RVP level. Elite. Vardy is not that. We're at the very start of the transfer window and he should not be so far up on the list. Not even close. He shouldn't be our first option. He's a last resort if nobody is around and we're staring at the prospect of another Giroud. In fact, I don't even think Vardy would be an automatic first team starter over Giroud.

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Well hold on. So far we've heard talk of Morata. Whether there's anything in it we don't know but Vardy is twice as good as him. He's also better than a lot of the hyped up bullshit players that we are watching in the Euros at the moment. And he's twice the striker Giroud is. He can do all those things you mention. Play on the shoulder, get in behind, link play. He did it all season long. But he also has something that none of our current strikers have, the desire to get into the danger zone and go for goal. Maybe Welbeck possess that too, but randomly. Vardy is consistent. If you're talking the next level then that's a Lewandowski or an Aguero or a Suarez and we won't be paying that sort of money and none of them would want to come here anyway. Hell, even Vardy isn't biting our hand off. He's far from a last resort. We've already got the last resort on our roster, Bif, Walnut and Welebeck who never stays fit for long enough to get on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Totally agree with this, he should be a last choice rather than 1st, but the problem is the manager is trying to pay as little as possible rather than doing the necessary.

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But what do you want to end up with? A striker who knows where the goal is or a whole summer of big name rumours followed by bullshit from Wenger about how he tried but couldn't do the business? The longer we hold out for the top tier strikers the more chance of ending up with nothing, or worse one of Wenger's Project Nobody signings. Those elite strikers won't want to come here anyway. Why would they? Utd the chavs and the gypsies will all be in the market. We get whatever they aren't interested in, that's just a fact. Get Vardy in now. Then start looking for the defender we need. Better that than the usual summer fiasco.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I get that but with a player like Vardy that has come from such a small club and humble beginnings, I worry he'd be like a fish out of water. We don't really need direct. We need an all round great player. Someone that can be direct, play on the shoulder, link up play.....we need RVP level. Elite. Vardy is not that. We're at the very start of the transfer window and he should not be so far up on the list. Not even close. He shouldn't be our first option. He's a last resort if nobody is around and we're staring at the prospect of another Giroud. In fact, I don't even think Vardy would be an automatic first team starter over Giroud.

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Exactly. RVP at his best. Suarez is another.

We're after a player who can work with limited space and take advantage of dangerous situations quickly and cleverly. Bring others into play, and be ruthless.

Vardy is someone you need when you're able to counter attack. Which we don't...as nine times out of ten we're playing backwards and forwards across two banks of four.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Exactly. RVP at his best. Suarez is another.

We're after a player who can work with limited space and take advantage of dangerous situations quickly and cleverly. Bring others into play, and be ruthless.

Vardy is someone you need when you're able to counter attack. Which we don't...as nine times out of ten we're playing backwards and forwards across two banks of four.

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And unless that changes then it really doesn't matter who we sign. Sign Messi, it will make no difference. Which is why Wenger going for Vardy is encouraging. Maybe he is finally waking up? Of course maybe he has simply seen the £20mill tag and has a notion he can turn him into a holding midfielder. You can never tell with Wenger.

So basically we need a striker that can do it all. Should be easy to find then...

I honestly don't think that player exists.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

So basically we need a striker that can do it all. Should be easy to find then...

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You know what I mean. I don't think Vardy is the solution to our problems.

I don't think that player is easy to find by any means, but I don't think we're ambitious enough to find a player that is of the calibre we need. Clever and mobile is the main thing....Giroud is clever (IMO), but he's slow, and not ruthless enough.

Who knows, I've long since lost hope anyway, so hopefully if it is Vardy, he proves me wrong.....I just can't get excited about it anymore.