Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Anyone can become a force if you inject enough money into them. Remember when Abramovich first took over Chelsea and everyone used to say 'money can't buy success'? :lol:

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Worth a read. It's about FFP.

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/201...the-full-story

You can't just inject money into teams like you used to and I'm sure they'll be keeping a close eye on Jabba. The fact that his former business partner, who is now the Everton owner, used to own shares in Arsenal, sold them to Jabba and now Jabba is fucking off and selling his shares to Stan to maybe invest in Everton is an absolute cluster of a situation. You have to be out of your mind to want Jabba as the owner. He's an opportunist and I can't believe there are no regulations to stop this sort of ownership hop scotch.

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Originally Posted by SMatthews

True, but being given a free stadium and being owned by a country might just make it more likely than Everton. Everton! Honestly.

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Everton dominated this league for a while in the 80`s. Just from having a great manager. If not for the ban on England clubs playing in the CL, they could have made great strides. Anything is possible, especially nowadays. If the Fulham owner buys Wembley.....who knows, It will be renamed the super Cottage.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Worth a read. It's about FFP.

https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/201...the-full-story

You can't just inject money into teams like you used to and I'm sure they'll be keeping a close eye on Jabba. The fact that his former business partner, who is now the Everton owner, used to own shares in Arsenal, sold them to Jabba and now Jabba is fucking off and selling his shares to Stan to maybe invest in Everton is an absolute cluster of a situation. You have to be out of your mind to want Jabba as the owner. He's an opportunist and I can't believe there are no regulations to stop this sort of ownership hop scotch.

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So what does that make Stan, the benevolent corporate raider?

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

So what does that make Stan, the benevolent corporate raider?

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Nothing benevolent about him but we can at least see that he's a long term investor and seems committed to Arsenal along with Josh Kroenke. He's had to jump through a lot of hoops to get this far and stick it out. An investor like Usmanov should make everyone uneasy because he's jumped ship and hasn't even been part of the club that long. There should be a rule in place where you shouldn't be allowed to invest in another Premier League club for 10 years or so if you're a majority shareholder. If he doesn't like what's happening at Everton, is there anything to stop Jabba from investing in a bigger club if the opportunity presents itself?

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Nothing benevolent about him but we can at least see that he's a long term investor and seems committed to Arsenal along with Josh Kroenke. He's had to jump through a lot of hoops to get this far and stick it out. An investor like Usmanov should make everyone uneasy because he's jumped ship and hasn't even been part of the club that long. There should be a rule in place where you shouldn't be allowed to invest in another Premier League club for 10 years or so if you're a majority shareholder. If he doesn't like what's happening at Everton, is there anything to stop Jabba from investing in a bigger club if the opportunity presents itself?

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He's a long term investor who has no interest in anything but the financial side, a guy who whilst with us has been more than happy to settle for 4th place without ever being bothered about pushing on and winning, that's proven, he's been here a long time and has brought absolutely nothing other than even more contempt for the fans. Some describe him as a leech in fact.

Now he's in total control he can make sure there's no general meeting, can pay all the dividends and company management fees as he likes and borrow against the club to fund other businesses.

As for Usmanov, can't blame him, years owning 30% of a business and having no say whatsoever (Stand made sure of that as he wanted to control everything clearly), not surprised he jumped ship.

Not being funny but you're making Kroenke sound like he's the kind of owner you want, he's not it's proven, we don't have to look at anything else but the club since he joined and what's happened to it, what we wanted was an owner who loves the sport and wants to see success on the pitch, not a guy who only focusses on the balance sheet

As for sticking it out, he's not had to do anything except sit there and watch the profit roll in whilst he makes all the decisions and turns up when he feels like it, he's not stuck out anything, just like the manager we had he's had an easy ride and just stayed quiet in the US rather than face the fans.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

So what does that make Stan, the benevolent corporate raider?

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In football terms, he's the worst kind of owner, a guy with no interest in the sport who looks to maximise profit and possibly fund other businesses by borrowing against another business, he hasn't even bought the club with his own money, instead choosing to borrow again to purchase it.

Why anyone would see him as a positive is beyond me, borrowing to buy a business is generally not seen as a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He's a long term investor who has no interest in anything but the financial side, a guy who whilst with us has been more than happy to settle for 4th place without ever being bothered about pushing on and winning, that's proven, he's been here a long time and has brought absolutely nothing other than even more contempt for the fans. Some describe him as a leech in fact.

Now he's in total control he can make sure there's no general meeting, can pay all the dividends and company management fees as he likes and borrow against the club to fund other businesses.

As for Usmanov, can't blame him, years owning 30% of a business and having no say whatsoever (Stand made sure of that as he wanted to control everything clearly), not surprised he jumped ship.

Not being funny but you're making Kroenke sound like he's the kind of owner you want, he's not it's proven, we don't have to look at anything else but the club since he joined and what's happened to it, what we wanted was an owner who loves the sport and wants to see success on the pitch, not a guy who only focusses on the balance sheet

As for sticking it out, he's not had to do anything except sit there and watch the profit roll in whilst he makes all the decisions and turns up when he feels like it, he's not stuck out anything, just like the manager we had he's had an easy ride and just stayed quiet in the US rather than face the fans.

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Wait, do you think Usmanov has an actual interest in the football or Arsenal?

[QUOTE=Özim;4465592]In football terms, he's the worst kind of owner, a guy with no interest in the sport who looks to maximise profit and possibly fund other businesses by borrowing against another business, he hasn't even bought the club with his own money, instead choosing to borrow again to purchase it.

Why anyone would see him as a positive is beyond me, borrowing to buy a business is generally not seen as a great thing.[/QUOTE]

The Glazers did that.

The worst type of owners are the ones like Malaga's previous owners that fucked off after investing millions. The Newcastle owner. The dodgy former owners of Man City....there are plenty of examples of bad ownership in football where clubs go bust or get relegated.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Wait, do you think Usmanov has an actual interest in the football or Arsenal?

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Usmanov clearly likes football yes, as for an interest in Arsenal if you like the sport and you invest in it it would be hard not to after years of investing, trouble is Stan doesn't like football so has no interest with what happens on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

The Glazers did that.

The worst type of owners are the ones like Malaga's previous owners that fucked off after investing millions. The Newcastle owner. The dodgy former owners of Man City....there are plenty of examples of bad ownership in football where clubs go bust or get relegated.

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Yes but the difference is the Glazers gave the manager plenty of money to improve his squad, they spent on top top players and actually came to matches, Kroenke does neither. There are obviously other examples, but Kroenke is certainly amongst the worst yes, don't be surprised to see him borrow against the club in time, it's just a business to him and if the opportunity arises to buy another business he's bound to jump on it, that's the trouble with 100% ownership by a guy who doesn't like the sport.