Former Players Views

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Here's the thing. Until Kroenke has banked his profit then nothing is going to change at this club. RvC must have known that too, even if his intentions were 100% in favour of the club then it would have been a spectacularly dumb move to imagine one player (no doubt viewed as a raw asset rather than a human being by vampires like Gazidis) could change the direction. This is like a secretary going up to the boss of Monsanto and saying let's stop poisoning the fuck out of people. And the boss says, you know you are right, fuck the billions of quid let's do it your way.

Kroenke hasn't put a penny into this club. The bastards that went before him (bar one guy who threw peanuts) put fuck all in either. Arsenal has been identified as a cash cow and is being milked. Wenger is the guy they have chosen to balance this primary objective with the ongoing pretence of being a corporation primarily concerned with football. And he does a great job of it. Only problem is, that's not what the fans want - but who are they? Just unwashed scum in the eyes of the board, listen to PHW if in any doubt.

If RvC loved the club and the fans as much as he claimed he could have taken a big pay hike and stuck it out. The fans would have much rather seen that happen than this alleged bust up where he effectively showed himself the door. Because the execs aren't going to have the curtain lifted on their game or see the emphasis shifted to the secondary agenda at the expense of the primary. No one man is bigger than the cash flow forecast. If RvC thought he was big enough to take them on he badly miscalculated who he was up against.

A Russian mobster will be next up. Good times, get with the program and don't for one second ever think your view counts for shit. Don't make the same mistake as RvC.

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NQ, there is no need to explain what's going on with our club. I'm well aware of what's happening. It's been said plenty of times and you're obviously aware of it to.

The issue is, how are things going to change and if club won't listen, what's the next step? How can you be pissed at the fact that RVP wants no part in this? It's his contract talks and it's the one time he can speak his piece and take action if he doesn't like what he hears. Accepting a fat check and shutting up is what a mercenary would do. See Wenger.

It's all good saying things aren't going to change but people don't have to accept it. Especially not the players.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Your post has nothing to do with it. No manager in football could or would put up with that from a player.

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Again, read my response to NQ. It's a dilemma. How will things change at the club?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

NQ, there is no need to explain what's going on with our club. I'm well aware of what's happening. It's been said plenty of times and you're obviously aware of it to.

The issue is, how are things going to change and if club won't listen, what's the next step? How can you be pissed at the fact that RVP wants no part in this? It's his contract talks and it's the one time he can speak his piece and take action if he doesn't like what he hears. Accepting a fat check and shutting up is what a mercenary would do. See Wenger.

It's all good saying things aren't going to change but people don't have to accept it. Especially not the players.

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They have a queue lining up waiting to take the tickets off fans who protest in the only way open to them - refusing to pay to be shat on. Bottom line, we lose, they have complete control and there's nothing anyone can do about it. There is no next step, we either walk with them or stop walking but it doesn't affect them or their plans in the least.

I'm pissed with RvC because he's wearing a Utd shirt. That's unforgivable regardless of the circumstances. Plus he was our captain and best player, he claimed he loved the club and the fans. And I guess the reason I'm really pissed is because I was dumb enough to believe him.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

This is the dilemma. Where is the change going to come from if nobody says anything? It's not for the player to dictate to the coach but we curse the direction the club is going in and the lack of ambition but how can things change?

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By Fans not going to games, taking themselves of waiting lists etc not buying club merchandise. The fact TPTB know none of this will happen they know they can make mugs of the fans. Those players leaving of course they are not happy, but they do don't give a shit about the fans. So like NQ says its us that lose.

A smart board manager, would say lets win the CC and FA cup so we shut the fans up even if we want to mug them off.

I'm not so sure about the season ticket waiting list being that big but that sort of protest could actually spark something in all Gooners. Just accepting it doesn't sit right with me and I'm sure many feel the same.

As for RVP...I went through the motions when Henry did the same with the 'how dare he' outrage. It's déjà vu. Years later the guy has come back with open arms and has a statue! He handled things badly and actually went to the press before on derby day! He was wrong but I understand now. Cesc even tried the subtle way and suggested we sign Villa and Alonso...we got nothing.

Has to be a point where the focus goes away from the players. This is déjà vu.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

By Fans not going to games, taking themselves of waiting lists etc not buying club merchandise. The fact TPTB know none of this will happen they know they can make mugs of the fans. Those players leaving of course they are not happy, but they do don't give a shit about the fans. So like NQ says its us that lose.

A smart board manager, would say lets win the CC and FA cup so we shut the fans up even if we want to mug them off.

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It works both ways because we don't give a shit about them unless they are playing for Arsenal.

[QUOTE=Power_n

We've talked about this a lot but the one thing I still can't get my head around is why Van Persie didn't decide to see out his contract. The only thing I can think of is that he wanted a safety blanket - some insurance against getting injured, because if he's into his last year of his contract and he picks up a long-term injury, his mega money free-transfer contract is much less likely. I think Maccy said before that if we knew Van Persie was staying we might not have bought Cazorla or Podolski because it seems like overkill when the target is 4th and anything more is a 'nice to have'. But given that we had already signed those players, Van Persie could have just said - I'll stay for this year, and we can't get a refund from Malaga anyway.

And that's a game-changer because Van Persie up front with a midfield of Cazorla, Arteta and Wilshere is a big deal. I've heard he has got Man Utd 10 points this season...and pretty much single-handedly won them the points at Chelsea. I agree that Man Utd usually find a way and they might've only lost a few points without him, but forget that - those are the points he would've been winning for us. If you look around at other teams, it seems nobody can defend. Van Persie up front with our midfield and I reckon the title's on. Then he's going to leave on a free transfer and get a big money move to Man Utd or Barcelona or Madrid or whoever he wants - because even though he's 30, he's free and he's top quality for perhaps another 2 seasons.

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A good point well made :good:

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