If we don't finish 4th, do you want Wenger to leave at the end of the season?

This is a tactical issue. The Board and finances come into the equation much later and right now it is irrelevant. We have lost to teams that can’t compete with us financially and on paper have players with less experience and skill. Managers with less experience and no experience of winning the Prem title or that much Premier League experience in fact. We struggled to beat Leeds last week. That should tell you where we are at. It has nothing to do with the Board at this stage. Our team is more than capable of beating Fulham and Swansea. It shouldn’t take a late goal from Henry to beat Leeds.

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This is a tactical issue. The Board and finances come into the equation much later and right now it is irrelevant. We have lost to teams that can’t compete with us financially and on paper have players with less experience and skill. Managers with less experience and no experience of winning the Prem title or that much Premier League experience in fact. We struggled to beat Leeds last week. That should tell you where we are at. It has nothing to do with the Board at this stage. Our team is more than capable of beating Fulham and Swansea. It shouldn’t take a late goal from Henry to beat Leeds.

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Wenger is certainly a stubborn mule. But he can only send out what he has and he can only instruct them how to play and then hope they can muster up enough brain activity to follow the instructions. I'm sure he doesn't say, "Hey, Theo - what I want you to do is be a complete fuck up for 90 minutes. Hey Aaron, I'd like you to dwell on the ball and when you get into the danger area make sure you try the impossible stuff rather than keeping it simple. Hey Andre, don't bother running and forget about that diet we were talking about."

We need better players than these, or at least we need to introduce better players to help what we have learn and improve. Wenger turns profits in teh transfer windows and always scrapes us into 4th place for the CL cash. If you stand back and look, what does this tell you? The primary business of Arsenal is not football, it's making money. If this is Wenger's idea then he should be sacked, of course. However, if this is Wenger's idea and the board has just been sitting there the whole time doing fuck all because they are too scared of him to act - well fuck them too, they should be out of here. whichever way you slice it, you can't ignore the board in all of this. They are clearly part of the problem, one way or the other.

Wenger and the board are one, IMO.

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Wenger is certainly a stubborn mule. But he can only send out what he has and he can only instruct them how to play and then hope they can muster up enough brain activity to follow the instructions. I'm sure he doesn't say, "Hey, Theo - what I want you to do is be a complete fuck up for 90 minutes. Hey Aaron, I'd like you to dwell on the ball and when you get into the danger area make sure you try the impossible stuff rather than keeping it simple. Hey Andre, don't bother running and forget about that diet we were talking about."

We need better players than these, or at least we need to introduce better players to help what we have learn and improve. Wenger turns profits in teh transfer windows and always scrapes us into 4th place for the CL cash. If you stand back and look, what does this tell you? The primary business of Arsenal is not football, it's making money. If this is Wenger's idea then he should be sacked, of course. However, if this is Wenger's idea and the board has just been sitting there the whole time doing fuck all because they are too scared of him to act - well fuck them too, they should be out of here. whichever way you slice it, you can't ignore the board in all of this. They are clearly part of the problem, one way or the other.

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But somehow managers of lesser teams operating on smaller budgets with less talented players can get a performance out of their lot. It’s a poor excuse.

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But somehow managers of lesser teams operating on smaller budgets with less talented players can get a performance out of their lot. It’s a poor excuse.

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There's the big issue though. Are those players on the other teams really less talented or do we have a gang of monkeys who are assumed to be talented despite the evidence we see on the pitch. Is Theo REALLY talented? Does Arshavin REALLY have anything left? Is Ramsey good enough to be the kid who one minute was a rising star and next has to be the finished article and leader in the middle? Does Chamakh have any talent whatsoever? Is Gervinho any better than that Seggersson bloke we watched yesterday? I'm not convinced our players are more talented and when you look at it are they really that more experienced in the key areas?

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Is Gervinho any better than that Seggersson bloke we watched yesterday?

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I thought he changed the game when he came on yesterday, not like that Arteta bloke...

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There's the big issue though. Are those players on the other teams really less talented or do we have a gang of monkeys who are assumed to be talented despite the evidence we see on the pitch. Is Theo REALLY talented? Does Arshavin REALLY have anything left? Is Ramsey good enough to be the kid who one minute was a rising star and next has to be the finished article and leader in the middle? Does Chamakh have any talent whatsoever? Is Gervinho any better than that Seggersson bloke we watched yesterday? I'm not convinced our players are more talented and when you look at it are they really that more experienced in the key areas?

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That’s a ridiculous argument. You can’t flip it to suggest Swansea, Fulham and Leeds have players just as or more talented than ours.

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That’s a ridiculous argument. You can’t flip it to suggest Swansea, Fulham and Leeds have players just as or more talented than ours.

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Leeds?

All I know is we were outplayed by both the others mentioned and we haven't been showing much of the control we had become used to. Is it a crime to even suggest our current crop of players might not be all that?

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That’s a ridiculous argument. You can’t flip it to suggest Swansea, Fulham and Leeds have players just as or more talented than ours.

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Why?

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Leeds?

All I know is we were outplayed by both the others mentioned and we haven't been showing much of the control we had become used to. Is it a crime to even suggest our current crop of players might not be all that?

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If that's your stance, I won't argue with you. I just think it's ridiculous. Give another manager our players and you'd see a different performance.