Is Wenger stale or is it us?

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Originally Posted by Joker

I agree, but when I was saying this last season everyone seemed to jump down my throat and close threads. Now there's a significant number of GWers who are on side.

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Well no, you said he was a lot like Andy Johnson which is the kind of dumb-witted nonsense that most WUM like creatures spout upon us on a daily basis.

However he is over rated and any international level striker who plays a lot in our team will score goals. Jesus even Chamakh scored 7 when he was starting regularly.

Who is he overrated by exactly? Not by players of other teams or the press who voted him Player of the Year. And not by our fans up to the end of last season. Its so childish to make out that our want-away players were never much good anyway. On current form he is one of the best three strikers in the world. In contrast, Giroud couldnt even get into the crap French team. I know who I would want in out team
UOTE=Joker;166608]I agree, but when I was saying this last season everyone seemed to jump down my throat and close threads. Now there's a significant number of GWers who are on side.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Be objective at least. You don't have to sing his praises but to talk as if he won't be missed is silly. Cesc and Nasri were missed last season and if we had them in the squad, we'd have been much stronger. There is no denying that. Them leaving didn't balance us at all. We've never had a season where Cesc and RVP are in great form all season. We've never had a season where we've got workers in the middle, as well as creative flair players, plus pacy wingers on the flanks and strong defenders, plus wingbacks and a good keeper.

If we'd have kept them, we'd have had a strong and balanced team where we'd have cover and balance in all areas for once!

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Sorry - but I see nothing revisionist about a) wondereing whether RVP will be as prolific once he leaves us, and b) questioning whether he was a committed a captain as we thought, given recent history. I used to be a RVP fan. I'm not anymore - but I have never attempted to suggest that he is other than a very good player.

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Originally Posted by Joker

I agree, but when I was saying this last season everyone seemed to jump down my throat and close threads. Now there's a significant number of GWers who are on side.

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He's now an 'ex' and thus not to be praised like he was when he was one of us. People are fickle like that. That doesn't mean anyone subscribes to the views you were expressing about him all last season when he was scoring for fun and single handedly keeping us in contention of a top 4 finish when without him we'd have been languishing in mid-table.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Well no, you said he was a lot like Andy Johnson which is the kind of dumb-witted nonsense that most WUM like creatures spout upon us on a daily basis.

However he is over rated and any international level striker who plays a lot in our team will score goals. Jesus even Chamakh scored 7 when he was starting regularly.

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No, I made the comment about Andy Johnson just a few days ago. Throughout the season I made comments about him being overrated, how he looked better because the team was set-up for him, that he missed crucial chances for us, etc etc. I had a lot of people criticise me for that, yet suddenly the same individuals are making the remarks I did throughout the season. At least have some consistency.

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Originally Posted by Joker

No, I made the comment about Andy Johnson just a few days ago. Throughout the season I made comments about him being overrated, how he looked better because the team was set-up for him, that he missed crucial chances for us, etc etc. I had a lot of people criticise me for that, yet suddenly the same individuals are making the remarks I did throughout the season. At least have some consistency.

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Welcome to GW

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Originally Posted by Joker

No, I made the comment about Andy Johnson just a few days ago. Throughout the season I made comments about him being overrated, how he looked better because the team was set-up for him, that he missed crucial chances for us, etc etc. I had a lot of people criticise me for that, yet suddenly the same individuals are making the remarks I did throughout the season. At least have some consistency.

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Damn right. It's a double standard and people need to be called on bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Joker

No, I made the comment about Andy Johnson just a few days ago. Throughout the season I made comments about him being overrated, how he looked better because the team was set-up for him, that he missed crucial chances for us, etc etc. I had a lot of people criticise me for that, yet suddenly the same individuals are making the remarks I did throughout the season. At least have some consistency.

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I think you're mistaken if you think you suddenly have a lot of backing for some of the idiocy you spouted about RVP the past couple of seasons. People are frustrated/angry with him, but some of your analyses, e.g. most of his goals are meaningless +1s against weak sides, are still blatant bullshit (He earned Arsenal 27 points last season, based on his goals and assists - the most of any player in the league).

I hate what he is doing and how he is doing it, but he was fucking spectacular over his last 18 months with us and pretty much whenever he had a decent run in the team.

There isn't a team in the world that would absorb the loss of the quality of Van Persie without noticing it.

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Originally Posted by cricketsi

I think you're mistaken if you think you suddenly have a lot of backing for some of the idiocy you spouted about RVP the past couple of seasons. People are frustrated/angry with him, but some of your analyses, e.g. most of his goals are meaningless +1s against weak sides, are still blatant bullshit (He earned Arsenal 27 points last season, based on his goals and assists - the most of any player in the league).

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http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=851

Pretty funny when looking back on when that thread was started and how opinions have changed. He said straight off the bat that we need someone more reliable and well rounded last year. Now look what's being said in this thread and towards the end of that RVP thread. I disagree with Joker's opinion on RVP as a player, but I wouldn't call it idiocy. It's an opinion. I've got more a problem with people now changing their tune because he doesn't want to play for us, even though we knew this day was coming and people were saying they'd understand why he'd want to leave.