January Transfers -- Speculation & Shit?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I think 99% of people on here would rather have Koscielny.

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Somehow I doubt that. Maybe 99% of people are full of hubris

Cripps = 1% of GW :faint:

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

This is the rump of the argument and what gets the goat of many watching the goings on at this club. What is the definition of success, perpetual stagnation in 3/4th place w/o winning anything of note. Gazidis getting bonuses while players slip through his fingers each transfer window. Managers should not get paid more than players because players are in a small earnings window with no fall back position if they are injured. Should the coach at Miami heat get paid more than Lebron james?. Who are the fans coming to see, the coach or the players. If Wenger who continuously preaches restraint in spending doesnt think he is worth 140k pw, then why accept such a ludicrous salary. this is a man getting to 65 yrs with 1 child. what the hell is he saving the money for?. Footballers have to earn to keep themselves for 40 yrs after they retire but why Wenger,. Letters says he loves the club because he waves his hands a lot during games but he wont halve his own salary so that RVP can be paid 200k pw so who does he love. He is a second level manager being paid like a top level achiever. PHW says its nice to pocket a few millions but we miss out on Gary Cahill becuse wenger wont pay more than 6m, when 8m would have done the trick. The whole arsenal mangement setup is a scam and Wenger is central to it, the serial loser.

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I don't think Wenger is outrightly against money per se in football, it's only money that clubs don't actually have to spend that annoys him. Giving players that much (in your instance RVP 200k a week) comes with the stigma of needing to give all the other players something similar to that or at least be commensurate with that figure. Giving RVP 200k a week wouldn't be the end of it, other players would be 'justified' in say 'only' asking for 120k a week - it's a long way off what RVP would be earning but also a great advance on what they currently get. You could say something similar about Wenger's underlings and the coaches but Wenger has earnt the right to have a wage such as that for being at the club for so long along with the fact he is the only manager, RVP is not the only player.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Somehow I doubt that. Maybe 99% of people are full of hubris

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Cahill is a good player but so is Koscielny and there isn't enough distinction in quality between the 2 to say I'd rather have one over the other. I'm happy with who we got and I'd wager most Arsenal fans feel the same, that doesn't equate to hubris.

Kos is better than Cahill.

Way better.

He has better hair too.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I don't think Wenger is outrightly against money per se in football, it's only money that clubs don't actually have to spend that annoys him. Giving players that much (in your instance RVP 200k a week) comes with the stigma of needing to give all the other players something similar to that or at least be commensurate with that figure. Giving RVP 200k a week wouldn't be the end of it, other players would be 'justified' in say 'only' asking for 120k a week - it's a long way off what RVP would be earning but also a great advance on what they currently get. You could say something similar about Wenger's underlings and the coaches but Wenger has earnt the right to have a wage such as that for being at the club for so long along with the fact he is the only manager, RVP is not the only player.

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I dont think that is definitive. This is where a strong manager comes into it. The difference between Arsenal and ManU wage bills is not proportionate to the difference in playing staff (at least 1st team). We have fewer high wage earners in our 1st team and spend almost as much. We spend but not smart. It is well known that we already pay average players much more than they would earn anywhere else. paying superstars super salaries is actually an incentive to average players to buck up their ideas and too much too soon to mediocres is bad poicy as we have already seen with our inability to shift our shit players.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

I dont think that is definitive. This is where a strong manager comes into it. The difference between Arsenal and ManU wage bills is not proportionate to the difference in playing staff (at least 1st team). We have fewer high wage earners in our 1st team and spend almost as much. We spend but not smart. It is well known that we already pay average players much more than they would earn anywhere else. paying superstars super salaries is actually an incentive to average players to buck up their ideas and too much too soon to mediocres is bad poicy as we have already seen with our inability to shift our shit players.

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I'm fairly sure it would be. When Wenger came in one of the first issues he changed was the disparity between what Dixon was earning and say, forward players. I presume that is still true now, whether it's flawed or not. Plus this is all on the assumption that RVP would've stayed had the wage been good enough and I doubt that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

I dont think that is definitive. This is where a strong manager comes into it. The difference between Arsenal and ManU wage bills is not proportionate to the difference in playing staff (at least 1st team). We have fewer high wage earners in our 1st team and spend almost as much. We spend but not smart. It is well known that we already pay average players much more than they would earn anywhere else. paying superstars super salaries is actually an incentive to average players to buck up their ideas and too much too soon to mediocres is bad poicy as we have already seen with our inability to shift our shit players.

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:gp:

The wage structure is like a glass ceiling and we'll end up losing our star players every season if we stick to it.

Quite possibly but I think we'd lose players in any case if we fail to be competitive.