Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

i think there is a prestige that goes to being in Europe's premier competition along with the money, but it's clear we should be doing better in the competition (Martin Samuel actually having a point about our being seeded for the competition, how are we seeded and Dortmund aren't?)
It always used to be that we were virtually impregnable at home no matter who we played, but it was our away form that sank us....now we seem to get equally roughed up at the Emirates which is disheartening.

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Yeah, I'm not feeling the prestige.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It should only be the champions.
There is a clue in the name.

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And yet in nine of the 22 seasons it has run under that format it has been won by a side that hasn't been champion of it's own domestic league the previous season.

Don't get me wrong i don't disagree with you, it's just funny when you think about it....well it's not really it happened as soon as they expanded the competition.

Under your format Real Madrid wouldn't have won last season nor Bayern Munich the season before that nor Chelsea the season before that (How i wish that had been the case, i still haven't gotten over that yet).

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Yeah, I'm not feeling the prestige.

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Hmm regardless of win, lose or draw i'd still rather us be playing the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona etc rather than the likes of Anorthosis Famagusta.

actually they aren't the best example, as they were in the champions league six years ago

AIK Solna?
FC Thun?
Rapid Vienna?
Heerenveen?

fuck!!!

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

It's relevant because the Anyone but Wenger brigade fly into a panic and say if we don't sack him now we will finish outside the top four (which seems a bit contradictory as many of them proclaim that they don't care whether we qualify for the Champions League because we fail to make our mark on the competition anyway).
You seemed to be implying (i could be wrong) that we were overacheiving by getting into 4th, clearly not what i think but i was also alluding to how you had stated that the top managers were unavaliable to us and using that as a reason not to get rid of Wenger. When actually what i said is that we want to make sure one of those top manager is avaliable to us before we took the steps to displacing him.
None of is under any illusion that Wenger will magically change his ways, i don't believe for a second he is incompitent his problem is intransigence....arguably the difference between that and neglect/incompitence is pretty superficial when you look at how much he earns and some of the perilous situations we find ourselves in, of his making. The simple fact is that Wenger has been here 18 years, and i'm entitled to want a guarantee of something better (which i'm not convinced at this moment Martinez represents) in order to make a change.
Where as i think too many people are entrenched in personal animus against Wenger, that anything represents a positive change from him.

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How is any of this personal? It's no different to fans wanting an under performing player benched or sold.

I have no idea whose apart of the 'Anyone but Wenger' brigade but from this thread alone you've got my views on the criteria for the next coach along with a few others. Second, I think you've misunderstood why people want him gone. It's not fueled by a fear of dropping out of the top four. It's that tedious feeling you get when watching a game, or the transfer window, the press comments from players and coach....we've heard it all and seen it all before and nothing is changing. Our style is a bore to watch and we're no longer exciting. It's all been said on a thousand times so there shouldn't be a need for me to regurgitate. It's an on going cycle I just want out of. Even if a Top 4 spot could be guaranteed for the next 10 years under Wenger, I wouldn't want it because I'm so tired seeing the same mistakes repeated.

There are no guarantees in this situation. Martinez is one of the names floating around but there really is no point in playing the 'name that manager' game. I know I don't have enough time to watch all the top leagues and teams to know whose doing what and where and I'm that's true for most. Martinez is the hot name buzzing around in the Prem at the moment and because this is the league we all mainly watch, maybe that's the easiest of names to pick out along with the Klopp's and Pep's.

Also, I wasn't implying we've overachieved by staying in the Top 4. Far from it. I can't speak for everyone, but the argument that keeps getting thrown back is that if we change manager, we could get worse and fall out of the top 4. Sticking with the status quo which seemed to be what you were implying with the 'leaky roof and no tools' response to my analogy. There must be candidates out there that can do the job and as another poster said and the OP stated, we're not putting a firm deadline on when he has to go. It's just a general discussion and I'm hoping the Board have their eye open now and are ready to act if a suitable candidate pops up and one will.

Has anyone checked on Ollie today? Someone needs to drive to beachy head and see if his car's there.

Us not being in the Champions League. :lol:

No thanks. Although I suppose there comes a point every season when we aren't in. Or March as we like to call it.

WUMger can stay, he got the albatross of not winning something away from us, this will be his last contact so just going to wait it out.

#WeWantOurOllieBack

I think there are people on this board who are quite vitriolic towards Wenger, and whilst this doesn't offend my personal sensibilities i tend to be less inclined to take any real interest in what they have to say. I haven't directed my comments at you personally, but i don't think i am attacking a straw man either.
I also think a lot of responses to what i have had to say has been directed at me like i am pro-wenger or a wenger apologist, but i am also quite conservative and risk adverse and i have quite consistently stated that i don't want someone to come in who has no previous experience of winning major silverware and managing at the top level (i.e champions league) therefore for me the "name that manager" game as you call it would be crucial to my decision making.
But and this is the important point it's all academic, unless he relegates us or gets arrested in relation to Op Yewtree investigations he is with us till 2017; it was a poor decision by the board but unfortunately we have to live with it.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Has anyone checked on Ollie today? Someone needs to drive to beachy head and see if his car's there.

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That's the problem with this country, we are always so concerned about stopping people from committing suicide....as long as he's not inconveniencing anyone else let him do it