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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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So posters can't stand up for themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Don't be getting all srs now, Charls. Only joshing the rogan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
All power to you son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Typing through a straight jacket is quite an acheivement
Thank fuck Herbert Chapman isn't around to see this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Yes I am......Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
He'd do is fuckin kippersQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
:lol: Should have stayed with Town tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
ungrateful wretchQuote:
Originally Posted by GB.
:upset:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Thats OK being Ach's "cousin" is bad enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Fair play fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I find all football interesting tbf. Well when I say interesting, I mean tolerable. I managed to find a way to watch Blackburn vs Sunderland last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Why harp on about how he played at Chelsea? He won at Chelsea. And he showed good defensive tactical nous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
As the years have gone by, hes changed his game and Real play the best football around
I was on about entertinment value, have chav friends who used to tell me how boring the games where and wished it was more entertaining. Never said he was not a winner at the chavs or slated that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
And i dont disagree, They were fucking dull but they won and everyone on here would take that here in a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Its been 5 years since he left there though and hes adapted his game. Real play the best football around. Id rather look at that then what he did 5 years ago
i dont think he hsould, i blame the board. if there is the 50 or even 100m to spend as said then let him stay one more summer, sort the board out and get them out. give wenger one more season, telling him that only a trophy will do or he is out. get rid of the shit, get quality in. change pat rice for bould or even Dennis. i think he can do it, only if there is guarenteed money and the board fuck off.
It's always one more season with Wenger, he's been getting one more season for a while now, sadly the guy can't cut it at the top anymore now...that's been proven, his time has past and he needs to move on.
We need some fresh blood, some new ideas, someone who knows what they're doing and is tactically astute....he's become a one trick pony who's trick everyone has seen and knows.
I know what you said last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
It makes no sense to give him all that money for one more round at the poker table. Sentiment has to be thrown aside. We spent £60m on the transfer window and look at the results.
Merts and Santos are broken already.
Park has yet to start a Premier League game.
Arteta and Gervinho have no end product and are pretty average.
Yossi spends most of his time on the bench.
And he's only just started playing the Ox in the second half of the season even though he made an impressive start in the Carling Cup and Champions League months ago.
He can't be trusted with £60m what difference will £100m make? Our injury record is still shocking; his judgment on players and team selection is still off, our defensive record hasn't improved even though we have bought 5 defensive players over the last two seasons....he's had one season too many.
I don't trust him in the transfer market anymore either. No doubt he has unearthed some rough diamonds ie. Kos, but if someone could whip up a list of his last 15 signings (coz I can't be arsed), those diamonds are few and far between now IMO. Will he go out there and buy us a catalyst player, Hazard, Gotze etc...? I doubt it. More likely to raid a reserve team and get another Eisfeld. That's WUMger at his best.
The problem is that everyone has a scouting network on the same level now, and Arsenal and Arsene Wenger are no longer the same draw.
But what is annoying is that for a couple of million that he is supposedly quibbling about for the odd player's transfer price, we could be out of the CL places with a revenue loss of 30+ million. Looking at the cost vs balance of risk, that is not good money management.
Don't worry PHW says we will be fine even if we miss out, and he don't lie does he.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
He does not have a choice if he wants to still be manager here. Or try to convinve RVP to stay. he knows he has to spend big whether he wants too or not, but he needs to CL to get that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I feel better already. :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
He's our chairman has our best interests at heart lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
He is obsessed about value for money. Which admirable in a way but frankly in a lot of cases, you get what you pay for IMO. We paid big bucks for Oxo and it looks like we have the best teenager in the world. We paid modest sums for Gervais and Arteta and it looks like we have capable but extremely frustrating players. I mean, there must have been a reason why Gervinho, a key player in Lille's title winning team wasn't courted as much as say Eden Hazard, and now we're finding out why.
Spending big is of course no guarantee for success but the market has changed now. You won't be able to pick up the next Van Persie or Vieira for 3m, because everyone knows who they are meaning you need to pay a premium. Wenger has not bitten the bullet and adapted his style. I remember an interview at the start of the season, a classic WUMger interview, he spoke about being willing to spend 30 or even 40m on a player, but they had to be the right player...or in another words you could say, super quality. :rolleyes:
Who's he trying to kid? Also, the fact we did nothing in January speaks volumes.
Depends on the situation in Jan tbh, he knew we never going to win the league or cl so why spend for the fa cup alone, maybe he assumed we had enough to get top 4 or he and the board decided they won't spend till they know the situation in summer. Not alot of quality wanted to move in Jan anyways and i don't who there was much quality who had not played in the cl we could really get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
On Gevinho your being way harsh on him, he was courted as much as hazard, lots of big clubs wanted him, including pool, spuds, city and chavs. And he was excellent at Lille he just is not motivated with this team. I assume he thought he'd be playing with better players. Wasn't he the one who said he'd have not come here if he knew it was going to be like this. he has not settled but neither did drogba in his 1st season give him a chance.
Rest of the post i agree with.
From the AST the other day it said the real cost of not qualifying for the CL is nearer 45million.
On that basis, and seeing as we are a business, would it have not been desperately obvious we needed to buy.
The other point on that is why oh why do we still buy players from Africa. Jan is possibly one of the most testing months of the season, and this has come and bitten us on our arses before.
Why should it matter where they are from if they are good enough, the ACON is not every season is it. We only bought 1 i doubt that was the reason we failed this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
Africans :haha:
Its every other season. And surely the better they are the more you'll miss them?
Tell Man City that its not important. They dropped points they otherwise wouldnt with the Afican players in their squad. If that ultimately stops them winning the prem(even if it was on goal difference) then it would matter.
Small margins win games.
We bought the wrong player. Sessegnon was available in January. Was shocked we didn't make a move for him. He's been a gem for Sunderland. Power pace, dribbling skills and has an end product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Your right and i agree, but i don't think we failed this season was cause we bought gev. id have loved us to by Ba, sessignon etc. But its not AFC's fault Fifa let this competition take place in Jan needs to be moved once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
I agree Png id Rather we bought him my point was there was more to us failing the season then buying Gev, hand wenger bought class we'd never have missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sessegnon :lol:
I'm sure he'll go on to be a fantaically brilliant average player for years to come.
He's alright. He's not the name you want in your team if you're serious about competing at the top level though. And whilst we're all kinds of shit at the moment, I would hope we'd do better than this dude.
Typical. Have you seen him play and have you seen Gervinho in comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Oh, he's probably better than Gervinho right now. But we can do better than both of those if we actually tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sorry. Not getting at you, and whilst he's a decent player, I just think we can set our sights a bit higher than him....and Gervinho....and walcock...etc
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
He's the type of player we would have signed in heartbeat back in 1997. Undervalued but skilful. Watch the guy play. Better than all of of our midfield players.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
He's alright, like I say. And I've seen him play a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But he's having a decent (half) season. He's 27 years old, and has on average scored about 5 or 6 a season, with about 5 or 6 assists per season.
You always get these players that have a decent run...but he's not the answer to our problems. We can do better, imo. That's all I'm saying.
If we'd ahve signed him, we'd be saying he wasn't good enough. I really couldn't see him causing Barca, Real etc much harm....and like I say, we're a pile of shit at the moment...but ultimately we want to be challenging the top sides in Europe ( :pray: )....but we wouldn't with this dude as a benchmark.
:shrug:
2 diffrent players Sess is an attacking mid, where as Gev is a winger amd has done fine as one, he has never been one to score goals and was not bought to do so. wenger should have bought a world class striker with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sessingon plays the same role as hazard in the middle. think we would aim higher then him tbh.