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That was a good joke <_<
If you're over 50.
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Originally Posted by Letters
See? :d
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Arteta is now the favourite according to Sky today.
What we all feared is probably gonna happen.
Ivan is gonna fuck it up :coffee:
How stupid can 3 people be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
Wenger in!
Be careful what you wish for... :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
Mickey Tets :bow:
Always rated him.
Gazidis and his boys are playing Russian Roulette if they appoint him. It’s absolutely on them if things go belly up. I am praying that these are just rumours and we have lined up someone who has actually managed a football club before! You know like someone who is experienced and has actually won stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
What concerns me about the new management structure we have is that it appears we just want to appoint a coach who looks after the team, someone who doesn’t have much of a say on player recruitment etc.
I get that we shouldn’t have a dictator type in charge like Wenger became, but we need to get the balance right.
I guess the only saving grace is that we get to see what the new management is capable of, we don't really know how this will go because the structure of the club is going to be so vastly different to what it was under Wenger. It's a stab in a dark for sure but there is a degree of unpredictability about it and that definitely excites me more usual.
I'd rather it be an established name with some track record of success but if it is Arteta then so be it. As previously said, at least now we know we can sack him quickly if it's a disaster and move on without too much fuss.
Yes we can sack him if it goes belly up early on, but the problem then is, who might we have missed out on in the meantime?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Can we really afford another year or two of uncertainty and possibly, disaster ?
I would have to say - no we can’t.
I would hope that ‘penny pinching’ isn’t part of the legacy that Wenger leaves behind
I think we can all say that Arteta is only being looked at because he works with Pep.
If he were somewhere else he wouldn’t even be in the running.
That really concerns me.
rather have the hoffenhiem manager over arteta
Me too- he's actually done the job before, which kind of helps...Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Arteta will be ten times better than Wenger in terms of what happens on a football pitch and on the training ground. Jardim or Allegri or Simeone would have been 20 times better. Looks like we'll have to settle for 10 times better then. So be it. Wenger was completely past it, done, finished. He had nothing left. When was the last time anyone ever remarked on Wenger's tactical skills influencing a season positively? No matter who is appointed, it will be like cutting the rope on a dragging anchor.
What this would really mean is the board managing the club, the money, the transfers, the pre-seasons (which I expect will become Americanised), and a coach with a strictly limited role coaching the team. That's maybe the best way to do this considering the power Wenger had and the impossibility of parachuting somebody in to directly replace him. And we missed out on Pep, so perhaps the next best thing is to get Pep's methods. A transformation in the way we do things which has to come before a transformation in the results anyway.
Still all media speculation though. I find it difficult to believe there's somebody inside the club talking to the media fatties and dopes on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
I agree but there is no record of failure to wallow in right now, I have faith in the new management until results say otherwise. After all they did manage to get Auba and Mkhi, plus the Greek kid who everyone seems to like the look of. These are modern football men who should know what they’re doing and if they believe Arteta is worth a go then so be it.
This is going to be the cleanest of all clean slates and I’m all for that.
We also assume Arteta would even take the job. I wouldn't if I was in his place. I'd take everything I could get from gypoland and start in the lower leagues and work myself up. Plenty of years available in management if you build things progressively.
The question is, would Pep have been interested in working with him if he were no good? I never understood why we allowed him to go to Man City in the first place. Maybe Wenger didn’t want to hold him back because there wouldn’t be much of a role at Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
It’s seems like such a high gamble taking on Arteta. Every appointment we’ve made from the medical staff to the Sven and Raul, came with experience and a reputation. All experts in their field and we haven’t taken any risks. Maybe Ivan and co know something about Arteta we don’t. Wenger would always praise his footballing intelligence. Pep has nothing but good things to say…obviously.
It looks like a massive risk. Stan took the same risk with the LA Rams and it’s paying off so we’ll see if these rumours are true.
Bloody good job we let him go, if he ends up being manager here. Can you imagine if he'd stayed as a yes man to Wenger and was now being lined up as a replacement, having learned every bad habit in the book?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
This might be a redistribution of not just the management responsibilities but also the costs.
Aye, me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Arteta and Brendan are up there as favourites to manage Arsenal. Lots of people working under good managers fail as managers, look at Steve McLaren for one.
i got round to watching MOTD last night and Wrighty was backing Arteta - he said he'd give some of the players 'the kick up the backside they needed'
all well and good but there's a bit more to it than that...
Hoffenheim manager staying put
this is all just proving the club left it too late before ditching Wenger - the damage is already done, prospective managers thinking there's too much hard work to be done: dreadful away record; knocked out of the Europa the first time we meet a decent team; sixth in the league and miles off the CL spots; and a lot of work needed with the squadQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
Smart move on his part. If he's developing a good reputation he has plenty of time to work his way up rather than jump straight into the deep end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
One thing Arsenal will be doing for a lot of managers out there is improving their negotiating positions with their own clubs.
Only thing I feel for sure is that the possibility of appointing Arteta makes me a hell of a lot less apprehensive than if Wenger was sticking around for another year.
Not too impressed with these Arteta rumours for a number of reasons, firstly assistant managers don't seem to make good managers, look at Mclaren and Queiroz for example (not sure what they do to be honest, Ferguson had success regardless of his assistants), secondly Arteta had no leadership qualities at all on the field and by all intents and purposes wasn't much of a player for us. Add that to the fact he has no experience at management level and you can see why this would be underwhelming.
Allegri would make much more sense as would any manager with experience, if we had to have some former player Vieira would be my choice as at least he had something about him on the field.
The Arsenal job is a tough one, you don't follow a man who has been in a job 22 years and have an easy time, hence the need for someone who know what they're doing, a pop tart would have more authority than Arteta, Guardiola delivered the success at City not him, proof in the pudding is Guardiola's record at other clubs where he achieved pretty much the same, the guy wins stuff at big clubs with money to spend.
Anyway hopefully it's not him but if it is we need to give him a chance, would be an odd choice though really for such a big club like us, he's not even Arsenal through and through, was nothing more than a bit part player for us for the time he was here.
I think Arteta had excellent on-field leadership qualities. Maybe not screaming at everyone, but if you needed a guy to step up in a pressure situation Arteta was your man.
My main fear is he's too young and too recently close to the club to easily earn the respect (fear) of the players.
Not convinced to be honest, I never saw him excel, he was never one to take hold of a game or motivate players when the chips were down, if things were going again us he wasn't one to make things happen or reverse the flow. IMO he was a better player for Everton and more of a creator than anything else, never there to lead the team. As I said before, Guardiola didn't need him in reality, he'd have won as he has with or without him as he's shown at other clubs where he also had money. The assistants role is vastly overstated IMO, their impact on success is minimal and they often prove not to be good managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm not sure he'll get much respect either that I agree with, on the pitch he was never anything special, unlike the Henrys and Vieiras of this world and he's never managed, think it's very rare to have a player like this take over a big club without any experience and become a success, the job at Arsenal is even hard IMO, so even less so with us.
Talking about what they did as a player and attributing that to a managerial role is as irrelevant as what they do as an assistant.
One thing for sure, if by some miracle, Arteta turns out to be a masterstroke appointment, Arsenal FC would be...... by far the greatest team the world has ever seen! :scarf:
This would be unprecedented. Would change football management much in the same way Wenger's introduction to the Prem changed football.
i do think whoever the next appointment will be, we do need to get a move on before other teams start ditching their managers Chelsea, West Ham, Everton etc and add competition to the manager appointee merry-go-round
Arteta was interviewed once when he was still with us and he had this to say:
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=5B4EFC07
Those words could have come out of Wengers mouth....:(
Very true, but a manager needs to have something about him, Arteta never seemed to display this certain something, whether it be a ruthless streak, some sort of ability to lead, motivate or tactical awarenes or a desire to win that superseeds everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
He just seemed like some nice guy that blended into the background without ever standing out, that's what worries me.
Exactly what I thought! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It concerns me too. I think potentially Arteta could become a good / great manager but he shouldn't be given his audition here at Arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
We are at a point where a fair bit of work needs to be done with the squad both from a player recruitment and mentality perspective.
Is Arteta, fresh out of kindergarten ready to come in and shake things up? Does he have the experience?
Don't get me wrong if we appoint him I will support him but I have major concerns over whether he is ready for the job, in the future maybe...but right now? Hmmm.....
Nah, that part about giving 120% or you're out could never have come from Wenger. You just said Merts should have been sold ages ago and we've seen the amount of chances Ozil, Iwobi, Mustafi and Bellerin have racked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
One positive, he knows most of the players well enough and who to keep and who to ship out straight away if they don't sort their lives outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The problem is the likes of Enrique and Allegri are unattainable for various reasons (Enrique wants too much money and Allegri says he will stay at Juve) and the Hoffenheim manager will also be staying where he is which makes our choices very limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Im very skeptical about Arteta, he might have potential (Pep wouldnt have hired him as his number 2 if he wasnt any good) but no way is he ready for a job like this.