Looks like we're stuck with him :( https://www.skysports.com/football/n...lubs-hierarchy
Looks like we're stuck with him :( https://www.skysports.com/football/n...lubs-hierarchy
They were all Europa League titles, cause his team couldn't qualify for CL in la liga before Atletico started their current form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
And let's not forget how Jardim made him look like a moron his first season at PSG. And also he didn't win a single away league game his last season at Sevilla.
Oh no, signs weren't there<_<
Agreed although I'm disappointed about Ramsey, he's a big loss and we didn't really try to keep himQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Possibly. Certainly the last season was by far his worst and while the steady decline many predicted never really happened, we never ended up in mid-table or worse but the last couple of seasons under him saw us finally drop out of the top 4 and it's hard to predict how we'd be doing under Wenger now. One thing is for sure, he was never going to win us another league title. We did need to get rid of him if we were going to progress. But the assertion that he was the worst manager around and literally anyone would do better was horseshit and has been shown to be horseshit.Quote:
It hasn't worked out for Emery, he's lost his way but with Wenger we were only going one way
This is also horseshit. If the squad was that poor and we had the "worst manager around" then when were we anywhere near the top 6?Quote:
by the time he left the squad was in tatters and we barly had a decent player left in the squad
On the back of that club statement Laca and Auba will almost certainly be making plans to go, they won't stick around for more of this shit
Listen fans had had enough of the guy, year upon year of the same rubbish, no progression, collapse after collapse, never getting rid of deadwood, letting top players walk out for nothing, sticking to the same system time and time again even when it wasn't working, abandoning all the things that made him sucessful in the 1st place, reluctance to spend money and when he did the majority of the time he insisted on trying to find the next big thing rather than signing a proven player, refusing to sign a DM and for years an out and out striker, harping on about top 4 being a major trophy, despite getting humiliated in the competition time and time again, choosing to criticise the fans rather than his own playing staff, is it any surprise people grew frustrated and called him the worst manager around and that anyone would do better? Sometime people say thing when they're angry/frustrated that aren't always gospel truth, the point was the man was driving the fans nuts with his stubborness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The fact noone would have him back, even now probably tells you everything you need to know, even when things are bad we wouldn't choose to have him in charge, in fact at the moment it seems like no club does as he hasn't managed since he left us
The squad was awful, not being funny but look at the players we got left with, defenders that can't defend, midfielders that were average, other than the two strikers (neither of which he wanted particularly it seemed - Lacazette he barely played and Aubameyang there was talk was signed despite him being reluctant) it had very little quality, the only difference is we had a big suqad which allowed us to rest players, something the smaller clubs don't have, thus injuries/tiredness has a much great impact on their ability to last the distance, in addition the smaller clubs didn't have top strikers like we did and that's often the difference between no points and 3 points at this level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes not good news, once again they'll be going into their final year, so we either sell them at a knockdown price or lose them for nothing the following year, the people at the top really have no foresight, keeping Emery is a big negative in so many ways, if after 18 months the manager has no system, no best 11 and his team are incapable of putting in a good performance in half a season I don't think there's a way back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Someone likened it to Leicester when they had Puel, they were struggling, Vardy wasn't scoring then they brought Rogers in and withing 6 months with almost the same squad they are flying high, playing great football and in 2nd place in the league. Leicester got rid of Puel, they didn't keep him around, which is exactly what we should be doing.
Couldn't agree more. The irony is that if we'd signed Rogers after Wenger, fans would have been up in arms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Probably true yes, but a few good results and it all changes, that goes for any manager, if a manager comes in wins games and the team are flying high fans would be happy. Think Rogers has had a positive impact at every club he seems to have managed, even at Liverpool they were a Gerrard slip away from the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
To be honest I really didn't like what Ornstein said the club thought, especially the bit about being encouraged by our performance against Leicester as they are a very good side, Leicester shouldn't be capable of competing with us with their resources, the fact the powers that be think they're superior to us and a 2-0 defeant is encouraging is shocking, especially given we had 1 shot on target all match.
I know. And by the end I wanted him gone too - for his own good as much as ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Which would be fine had they not, every time I pointed out that obviously he's not the worst manager around, say I was "sucking his cock" and double down on the assertion.Quote:
is it any surprise people grew frustrated and called him the worst manager around and that anyone would do better? Sometime people say thing when they're angry/frustrated that aren't always gospel truth
Which is why I'm now taking the opportunity to say "I bloody told you so!"
Yes, that could be proof of how terrible he is. Or it could be that...he's 70.Quote:
The fact noone would have him back, even now probably tells you everything you need to know, even when things are bad we wouldn't
choose to have him in charge, in fact at the moment it seems like no club does as he hasn't managed since he left us
As (I think it was) MO said, how many people are better at doing their job in their 60s than they were in their 30s and 40s?
You often use the fact that he's not managed since us as a smoking gun of something. Clearly at 70 he's not at the peak of his powers.
But was he as bad as you claimed? The results since he left shows that no, no he wasn't.
So we had a big, terrible squad, a manager with all the failings you site and yet it was only in his last season we were far short of the top 4. I'm sure that makes sense in your head somewhere.Quote:
The squad was awful
Are you starting to see now that while Wenger was "a" problem, he was far from the only problem and replacing him was not going to be a silver bullet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
'Cos every time I said that I got the boring "stop sucking Wenger's cock" nonsense too. #justsayin'
maybe he just means relatively terrible compared to the invincibles... although I hope its obvious that the squad cant be terrible and finish 6th. the squad wasn't as good as it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
as you say though... Emery should be easy to get rid of... no history, no credit in the bank. a very good summer of transfers and yet we are worse. it can only be down to the manager. buy a player for 70m then pick a formation that he doesn't fit in to. pay a guy 350k a week and only play him when you have no real choice and its obvious there is no creativity in the side.
defensively we are still weak and we don't even have mustafi to blame anymore.
I was surprised to hear Ty for AFTV say he wouldn't have Wenger back.
I think if he were the only option I'd happily swap Emery for Wenger for the rest of the season.
Why are we still talking about a man who left here 18 months and was a truly terrible manager for at least his last season here and maybe a few years before that ?
It is NOT a case of Emery or Wenger because there is no-one else.
Emery was left with some useless players that Wenger signed and he did well last season, although it was very disappointing to miss out on the top 4.
Emery has gone backwards this season with some strange tactics/team selections and even stranger substitutions.
Emery should go NOW but the Arsenal board are very very weak.
Wenger should be forgotten once and for all, If Bayern want him, and I can't believe they do, then they are crazy and must be fed up of winning league titles or anything else for that matter.
From now on, its the boards fault as Emery cannot improve things but getting rid of him and getting somebody better, will.
Yes you did, but it took you quite some time to get there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
In some ways to Arsenal fan he was, he was the epitomy of how stale and uncompetitive the club had become, but that's neither here nor there, plenty of people could come out and say I told you so about countless things, they generally don't. Moreover, Wenger is a big reason why we are in the position we are today, uncompetitive and unambitious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I personally think it is, he lost his job a year and a half ago, I think there were claims he there were countless options available from memory, if he was good enough people wouldn't think twice, just like if Ferguson had chosen to move on after Man U, clubs would hav been jumping at the chance to sign him, not the case with Wenger because his stock has fallen massively and it's been recognised that for many year he just hadn't performed to the level required by a top club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Firstly we signed a few players in the 1st summer which helped somewhat, but as I said our squad is bigger than many others and we have two top strikers, when Wenger there were maybe 4 or 5 players worth keeping in the entire squad, we were very much lacking in quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I never once said he was the only problem, I'm aware of the other issues, but realistically he was the only one that could be removed and replaced, sadly those employed to find a replacement weren't willing to do what it takes to bring in a top/proven manager, instead they brought Emery in, who was a better choice than Arteta someone who had never managed a game in his life (that was the only other choice right?) and on paper perhaps to those who didn't know too much about his career looked like a decent 2nd tier choice, but hearing the noises from fans of previous clubs and some of the events in his career perhaps it's a bit clearer he was unlikely to be the right fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
To go through an entire season without an away with at Sevilla, never progress in the CL and always ending up in the EL and having fans calling him negative and not wanting back, as well as his relative failure at PSG where he was outdone by Monaco despite having the riches of PSG behind him maybe should have been things those employing him had considered before doing so, I do think the bigger issue is that he is a weak manager, Neymar showed this at PSG and his time at Arsenal also shows this with the fallouts and how he's been made to look bad by his own players.
Stop sucking his dick bruhQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
NEVER! :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
:p
Wenger can be crossed off the list to replace Emery now
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Originally Posted by Bumble
What a strange post from someone who was happy with his appointment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Not at all, I didn't know a lot about Emery when we signed him up, I really only knew him from PSG, where I thought they played decent football and I knew he'd won the EL, other than that I didn't know too much, I certainly never expected him to perform as poorly as he has, be so negative and makes so many odd decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
As I said I was just happy it wasn't Arteta as I just didn't want this guy involved. My choice was always someone like Simeone, but when I realised there was no hope of getting a top manager, I was happy to have Emery over someone like Arteta or some of the other names banded about (other than Allegri).
That might not be far from the truth of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...