Summer Transfer Shit and Everything Else

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Now who's getting upset?

Your post to him was patronising and given you're often complaining about things in what you write, to accuse someone else of being whiny is hypocritical in the extreme

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Again it’s not about complaining it’s directly about addressing the idea that these transfers are causing him stress. I can tell someone I don’t understand their complaints or don’t agree with them but I’m not telling anyone not to complain…I’m suggesting what someone should do if they are getting that wound up by a transfer saga.

It’s not patronising to say to someone who is so emotionally invested in something that in the grand scheme of things doesn’t really matter all that much, to “touch grass”.

And in fact the irony is, you’re telling me to not close down people expressing themselves and that’s exactly what you’re doing here. But in fairness that’s keeping with your personality in general.

And why would I be getting upset? If I didn’t enjoy arguing with people I wouldn’t respond to you, it wouldn’t be worth my while. It’s why I don’t debate with NQ it would be an utter waste of time.

But I wouldn’t mistake that for getting upset, I’m pointing out the ridiculousness of what you’re saying

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

that’s keeping with your personality in general.

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so here we get a sweeping statement which has no bearing on reality - where do i close people down? i agree,disagree, or add to what people say but it's only when i think someone else is being overbearing that i might just point it out

I didn't read any upsetness in what he posted, just giving a view that he doesn't trust the 'process', neither do I and neither do you

So my question is, why is it - as I'm sure you would argue - thoughtful criticism when you do say thigns like that, but it's 'whining' when someone else does?

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Originally Posted by Mac76

so here we get a sweeping statement which has no bearing on reality - where do i close people down? i agree,disagree, or add to what people say but it's only when i think someone else is being overbearing that i might just point it out

I didn't read any upsetness in what he posted, just giving a view that he doesn't trust the 'process', neither do I and neither do you

So my question is, why is it - as I'm sure you would argue - thoughtful criticism when you do say thigns like that, but it's 'whining' when someone else does?

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I’ve just pointed out exactly where you’ve done that

If someone wants to call what I have to say whiny bollocks they are free to do so, I don’t get precious about it. In my view complaining about clubs feeling disrespected by how we break down our transfer offers is whiny bollocks. Because it’s not like these add ons and instalments are likely any different from what we offer clubs in successful transfer negotiations but we don’t get to hear about it….case in point with Donkey Boy it’s a deal worth 65 million.

And as I’ve said the whole touching grass thing was in response to the fact that he stated he found the drama stressful. As I say there’s a clear difference between complaining as part of making an argument and complaining about how it’s affecting your mental health.


And to your point where if I complain it’s thoughtful and when other people do it it’s querulous, well of course…I’m going to think my argument well reasoned and one’s I disagree with petulant ranting. I never once claimed to be impartial

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Its funny, but something tells me we'll sail this one through (player power will undoubtedly help here)....I'm just whinging because I detest drama and the fact that we obviously haven't learnt any lessons at all.

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Case in point this was what I was responding to.

I detest Drama

Well great….it’s only Drama if you respond dramatically to it

Anyway I’ve got work to do, so to summarise it comes down to you disagreeing with how you think I took a post…and ironically trying to police my posting whilst arguing that’s what I’m doing.

And as I’ve stated if you go through the current btw or other non Arsenal threads there are replete examples of you doing this, but I suspect you aren’t even aware of it.

And only now has it dripped into the Arsenal side of things.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

And to your point where if I complain it’s thoughtful and when other people do it it’s querulous, well of course…I’m going to think my argument well reasoned and one’s I disagree with petulant ranting. I never once claimed to be impartial

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why do you have to classify another POV as 'petulant ranting', can't it just be a 'different opinion' or something less emotionally charged?

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Originally Posted by Mac76

why do you have to classify another POV as 'petulant ranting', can't it just be a 'different opinion' or something less emotionally charged?

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:haha:

I think you’ve proved my point, you started out by saying this is a place where people come and post maybe you should let people post. And you’re now saying why are you posting this?


I’m calling it how I see it, I think a lot of these arguments about how we conduct transfer negotiations are querulous. Ultimately it boils down to getting upset (or frustrated if upset is a trigger word for you) because we aren’t getting things done quicker.

People are free to express their frustration just as I’m free to call it how I view it

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

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I think you’ve proved my point, you started out by saying this is a place where people come and post maybe you should let people post. And you’re now saying why are you posting this?

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I think you're misreading my questions as instructions - you can obviously post what you like (as long as the mods don't see harm in it) I'm just asking about why you use terms which on the surface of it are derogatory to the other poster, when you could just as easily say the same things in a different way - it's called a civilised conversation

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Originally Posted by Mac76

I think you're misreading my questions as instructions - you can obviously post what you like (as long as the mods don't see harm in it) I'm just asking about why you use terms which on the surface of it are derogatory to the other poster, when you could just as easily say the same things in a different way - it's called a civilised conversation

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No I’m using your logic against you

If me suggesting someone touch grass to avoid the stress of transfer drama is trying to police someone’s posting, then what you’re doing is exactly that.

However although I’ve already answered your question, I’m happy to do so again

If I don’t respect an argument I’m not going to pretend I do. For example, whilst I agreed with you that Arteta has a knack of falling out with players, I thought your supposed evidence of it happening again because of a ten second clip where he doesn’t shake Trossard’s hand was laughable, now actually I would have left it at that but you were so confounded by the fact that no one really thought it worth bothering to reply to that I thought I’d let you know how ridiculous I found it.

I’ve had plenty of people here mock arguments I’ve made if they think they are silly. Usually I will try and justify why I think they aren’t…but the important thing is I neither know or care about any of you enough to actually worry what you think of me. My only concern is being right/winning an argument.

This idea that we share any camaraderie because we support the same club is a nonsense, as is the idea that I owe you or anyone owes me any respect or even courtesy.


And to pre-empt any come back in the ball park of “what do you get out of being a prick?”. Actually quite a lot, in fact quite the same as what you and others get out of venting. Real life doesn’t afford you the opportunity to be condescending and insulting to exasperating people, I have to keep it to myself when people say things I regard as idiotic….here I don’t have to. Very therapeutic

Haven't some of you got better things to do ?

No-one on here knows exactly what is going on so why spend so much time on it.

Wait and see what happens and enjoy the break from all the football crap that goes on about 10 months of the year.

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Originally Posted by dostoy

Haven't some of you got better things to do ?

No-one on here knows exactly what is going on so why spend so much time on it.

Wait and see what happens and enjoy the break from all the football crap that goes on about 10 months of the year.

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Well In a way this is kind of what I’ve argued

And yes technically I have something better to do, the job I’m paid to do but this is my escapism from the tedium

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

And to pre-empt any come back in the ball park of “what do you get out of being a prick?”. Actually quite a lot, in fact quite the same as what you and others get out of venting. Real life doesn’t afford you the opportunity to be condescending and insulting to exasperating people, I have to keep it to myself when people say things I regard as idiotic….here I don’t have to. Very therapeutic

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

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WUMing in other words.

Thought as much.

Most likely a spud

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Originally Posted by LDG

WUMing in other words.

Thought as much.

Most likely a spud

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Would explain why he never thought we could/should win the league, even before the great collapse.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Would explain why he never thought we could/should win the league, even before the great collapse.

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Saying that we weren’t favourites after 18 games = never thought we should/could win the league

If you’re going to paint a target on your back by making ridiculous statements (like these) I don’t think I can be held responsible for firing arrows at you.

If you were actually retarded it would be just cruel, and whilst the difference between being a retard and being so heavily invested in your own narrative that you get high on your own fumes is subtle, there is a difference.

But if accusing me of being a spurs fan helps you cope, rather than confronting the fact that there’s often a lack of logic or reality to your arguments…and a lot of it boils down to tantrum throwing…well you do you.

Though maybe ask yourself how the fact that City haven’t even bid for Rice yet (it’s only been reported that they will bid and what that bid might be) fits into this idea that other clubs are much more ruthless than we are at conducting transfer negotiations

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

However although I’ve already answered your question, I’m happy to do so again

If I don’t respect an argument I’m not going to pretend I do. For example, whilst I agreed with you that Arteta has a knack of falling out with players, I thought your supposed evidence of it happening again because of a ten second clip where he doesn’t shake Trossard’s hand was laughable, now actually I would have left it at that but you were so confounded by the fact that no one really thought it worth bothering to reply to that I thought I’d let you know how ridiculous I found it.

I’ve had plenty of people here mock arguments I’ve made if they think they are silly. Usually I will try and justify why I think they aren’t…but the important thing is I neither know or care about any of you enough to actually worry what you think of me. My only concern is being right/winning an argument.

This idea that we share any camaraderie because we support the same club is a nonsense, as is the idea that I owe you or anyone owes me any respect or even courtesy.


And to pre-empt any come back in the ball park of “what do you get out of being a prick?”. Actually quite a lot, in fact quite the same as what you and others get out of venting. Real life doesn’t afford you the opportunity to be condescending and insulting to exasperating people, I have to keep it to myself when people say things I regard as idiotic….here I don’t have to. Very therapeutic

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So - a troll then

Makes sense

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Originally Posted by Mac76

So - a troll then

Makes sense

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Awww you’re dogpiling on me…that really gets me in the feels :loveblush:

No not Trolling, Trolling would suggest that my statements were purely intended to get a response. I consider that at most a fringe benefit. Yes there is the same pathology of online disinhibition involved but the motive is distinctly different.

I don’t get why it’s so hard to understand why if you think someone is being stupid or petulant you shouldn’t just say so?

Trying to find a hidden motivation when I’m openly telling you what I’m doing also seems self defeating

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

£120m for Rice is insane..makes no sense paying more than £80m for anyone doing his role IMO.

I mean £120m and adding a bit of change we could make teue statement signings like Osimehen, Kvaradona or even Bellingham.

The Hammers obviously don't want to sell and will lose him for change later.

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Gosh, I really wish I bothered going back on these threads more

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Saying that we weren’t favourites after 18 games = never thought we should/could win the league

If you’re going to paint a target on your back by making ridiculous statements (like these) I don’t think I can be held responsible for firing arrows at you.

If you were actually retarded it would be just cruel, and whilst the difference between being a retard and being so heavily invested in your own narrative that you get high on your own fumes is subtle, there is a difference.

But if accusing me of being a spurs fan helps you cope, rather than confronting the fact that there’s often a lack of logic or reality to your arguments…and a lot of it boils down to tantrum throwing…well you do you.

Though maybe ask yourself how the fact that City haven’t even bid for Rice yet (it’s only been reported that they will bid and what that bid might be) fits into this idea that other clubs are much more ruthless than we are at conducting transfer negotiations

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Duuuuude, why so angry, it's just a POV.

You could just say "No, I'm not a Spud" leaving out all the drama :lol:

You really are special aren't you :)

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Duuuuude, why so angry, it's just a POV.

You could just say "No, I'm not a Spud" leaving out all the drama :lol:

You really are special aren't you :)

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Bizarre that you’ve assumed anger. I will admit that I find some of your tantrum throwing exasperating and that’s why I made a conscious decision to avoid having children but anger? I’m not even being spiteful…just honest

Anyway the fact that City haven’t made a bid yet rather solidifies my belief that West Ham are playing games in order to get us to pay what they want for Rice. I’m sure City have actually made enquiries but one suspects they aren’t prepared to pay what West Ham want either.

And given I quote posted a message from you back in April where you agree with me that Rice was absolutely not worth the money West Ham wanted, it feels a little bit strange that you would throw Teddy out of the pram when it transpires that we don’t want to pay what they’ve asked. Ultimately either we aren’t in a position or are inclined to offer vast amounts of cash as a down payment for a player….the structure and add ons that you bemoan are a) likely to be how we break down most transfer offers and b) in likelihood how most clubs do business unless you’re Chelsea with a retarded owner.

But what do I know……nothing apart from there’s a great deal of difference between “trust the process” and “these people fuck up everything they touch”

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Gosh, I really wish I bothered going back on these threads more

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Yeah, I think you should do so more, it'll probably help to curb about 70% of the vitriol you post here.

Small steps :)

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Bizarre that you’ve assumed anger. I will admit that I find some of your tantrum throwing exasperating and that’s why I made a conscious decision to avoid having children but anger? I’m not even being spiteful…just honest

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Plus the dining table. Imagine he was at a dining table and Rice sat down. Hell, imagine he WAS a dining table. That'd be fucked up.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Yeah, I think you should do so more, it'll probably help to curb about 70% of the vitriol you post here.

Small steps :)

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Nah the Vitriol stays

But you’re right it would save me a lot of time to point out that people can’t even be consistent with what they believe two months previously

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Plus the dining table. Imagine he was at a dining table and Rice sat down. Hell, imagine he WAS a dining table. That'd be fucked up.

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Why are you here mocking me?

The human race is at a fucking precipice, and you’re here engaged in such pettiness when our freedom, our way of life is under threat from communist queers and globalists

Get your priorities right man

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Why are you here mocking me?

The human race is at a fucking precipice, and you’re here engaged in such pettiness when our freedom, our way of life is under threat from communist queers and globalists

Get your priorities right man

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Dude. This is a fucking football forum.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Dude. This is a fucking football forum.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

....and that’s why I made a conscious decision to avoid having children but anger?

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This is great news for unborn children and proponents of healthy families everywhere, keep it up dude :haha:

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

This is great news for unborn children and proponents of healthy families everywhere, keep it up dude :haha:

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Do you have kids? (I ask this despite not even being sure I want to know)

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

And given I quote posted a message from you back in April where you agree with me that Rice was absolutely not worth the money West Ham wanted, it feels a little bit strange that you would throw Teddy out of the pram when it transpires that we don’t want to pay what they’ve asked. Ultimately either we aren’t in a position or are inclined to offer vast amounts of cash as a down payment for a player….the structure and add ons that you bemoan are a) likely to be how we break down most transfer offers and b) in likelihood how most clubs do business unless you’re Chelsea with a retarded owner.

But what do I know……nothing apart from there’s a great deal of difference between “trust the process” and “these people fuck up everything they touch”

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First of all, I don't agree with you, I made up my opinion on Rice long ago as you have shown. So it seems you are the one who agrees with me on his value and guess what Sherlock, everyone that has posted here has also agreed that West Ham is asking for too much money. I mean do we really need to create imaginary conflicts in the world when we've got people like Putin still breathing :lol:

Now back to my posts, my critique has solely been on how we conduct our transfer business, that has been crystal clear. The difference is crystal clear.

The only transfer I have directly criticized is the Havertz transfer, again crystal clear, as I have clearly stated what we paid for him makes no sense based on his output and what should be the accurate value for a player deemed to have "failed" who no one else is after.

The funny thing is you even acknowledged where I stated I preferred Caicedo, so I wonder why you love starting these forest fires.....though with all the personal stuff you posted about yourself its becoming a no brainer and now I'm just worried about you :console:

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

First of all, I don't agree with you, I made up my opinion on Rice long ago as you have shown. So it seems you are the one who agrees with me on his value and guess what Sherlock, everyone that has posted here has also agreed that West Ham is asking for too much money. I mean do we really need to create imaginary conflicts in the world when we've got people like Putin still breathing :lol:

Now back to my posts, my critique has solely been on how we conduct our transfer business, that has been crystal clear. The difference is crystal clear.

The only transfer I have directly criticized is the Havertz transfer, again crystal clear, as I have clearly stated what we paid for him makes no sense based on his output and what should be the accurate value for a player deemed to have "failed" who no one else is after.

The funny thing is you even acknowledged where I stated I preferred Caicedo, so I wonder why you love starting these forest fires.....though with all the personal stuff you posted about yourself its becoming a no brainer and now I'm just worried about you :console:

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I’m beginning to wonder if basic comprehension is beyond you, are you allowed to bath yourself or do you have a carer come in to stop you from drowning.

If you accept that a player is over priced, I’m failing to understand how you can bemoan the club for clearly believing the same thing.


Yet you have spent the last few days whining like a little bitch about how clubs feel disrespected by the way we approach transfers. Based on structures and add ons??…

Yet the two examples you have are of clubs demanding far more for a player than the player is worth. You think Chelsea had a better approach because they were stupid enough to give Shatkah more cash up front. And you called our add ons unrealistic despite chiding me for being negative about our prospects of winning things.

You can’t keep a consistent thought in your head because you’re a little girl who has recently pulled back the sheets and found them stained with menstrual blood and your response to this is to become overly emotional.


The reason you even know anything about our transfer strategy is because in these instances the selling club has leaked the information in order to try and leverage us. And you’re basing your view on what the selling club has to say which is going to be extremely self serving.

I’d honestly have more respect for you, if you just admitted you were emotionally incontinent and can’t handle things not immediately going the way you want them to go.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Why are you here mocking me?

The human race is at a fucking precipice, and you’re here engaged in such pettiness when our freedom, our way of life is under threat from communist queers and globalists

Get your priorities right man

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Can't argue with that tbf :tiphat:
And sadiq Khan of course.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

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If you had asked me, I would have said we humble ourselves and go with Caicedo from the begining , seeing as Brighton's demands aren't that obscene...but now its going to be harder to backtrack because they'll feel slighted in how we made it clear their player wasn't important.

We should just stick with doing deals with our "rivals" who pity us and don't give us this much stress.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

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Fascinating but again I’m left seriously worried about your ability to perform simple tasks like reading

I never stated you didn’t think Caicedo was a better player. I was questioning the bed shitting over our approach for Rice when you already acknowledged he wasn’t worth the money they were asking for.

Though I find it interesting to note that because you’re a little girl that you think the people in charge at Brighton and Hove Albion are. Why on earth are they going to care how special we think the player is, like West Ham they want the money they think is adequate

Have you ever seen the film Cool Hand Luke, it’s a personal favourite of mine

Well if not, it’s a prison movie and one of the prisoners Dragline challenges Luke to a boxing match fight

Luke is hopelessly outmatched but he refuses to stay down even though he’s beaten, in the end Dragline walks away but he has respect and liking for Luke because of his persistence

I’m reminded of this now, with you as Luke who keeps coming back despite it being easier just to put your hands up and admit “ok I’m being a little girl”

The difference is you’re not earning my respect

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I’m beginning to wonder if basic comprehension is beyond you, are you allowed to bath yourself or do you have a carer come in to stop you from drowning.

If you accept that a player is over priced, I’m failing to understand how you can bemoan the club for clearly believing the same thing.


Yet you have spent the last few days whining like a little bitch about how clubs feel disrespected by the way we approach transfers. Based on structures and add ons??…

Yet the two examples you have are of clubs demanding far more for a player than the player is worth. You think Chelsea had a better approach because they were stupid enough to give Shatkah more cash up front. And you called our add ons unrealistic despite chiding me for being negative about our prospects of winning things.

You can’t keep a consistent thought in your head because you’re a little girl who has recently pulled back the sheets and found them stained with menstrual blood and your response to this is to become overly emotional.


The reason you even know anything about our transfer strategy is because in these instances the selling club has leaked the information in order to try and leverage us. And you’re basing your view on what the selling club has to say which is going to be extremely self serving.

I’d honestly have more respect for you, if you just admitted you were emotionally incontinent and can’t handle things not immediately going the way you want them to go.

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HCZ you WUM as a way of life, it's your survival mechanism, your meaning, what sustains your existence; I get it and had since come to this conclusion which is the reason why I didn't get annoyed throughout this whole discourse.

However its a Saturday and I've got love to give, I can't be your comfort blanket for the whole day :wave:

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

HCZ you WUM as a way of life, it's your survival mechanism, your meaning, what sustains your existence; I get it and had since come to this conclusion which is the reason why I didn't get annoyed throughout this whole discourse.

However its a Saturday and I've got love to give, I can't be your comfort blanket for the whole day :wave:

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I’m honestly not trying to get a rise out of you, I’m just trying to impart how your arguments are pathetic

I know in this over-sensitive, “words are violence” brave new world it may come across that I’m being harsh.

Anyway enjoy the rest of your day, and whilst self love is a funny way to describe having love to give…if it makes you happy.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Fascinating but again I’m left seriously worried about your ability to perform simple tasks like reading

I never stated you didn’t think Caicedo was a better player. I was questioning the bed shitting over our approach for Rice when you already acknowledged he wasn’t worth the money they were asking for.

Though I find it interesting to note that because you’re a little girl that you think the people in charge at Brighton and Hove Albion are. Why on earth are they going to care how special we think the player is, like West Ham they want the money they think is adequate

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There is no parting you from your matches :lol: