Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Guys, we haven't even signed him yet so it's perhaps a bit premature to criticise the manager for sticking him on the wing.

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:lol: you're right, obviously, but I hope you appreciate the irony of you of all people saying it.

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Originally Posted by Letters

:lol: you're right, obviously, but I hope you appreciate the irony of you of all people saying it.

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There has to be irony before it can be appreciated. I don't criticise Wenger for shit he hasn't done, only the shit he has done - which is voluminous.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

He has players in his current squad that can change the system. He hasn't set us up to play on the counter when Walcott starts and he hasn't done that when Welbeck has started. Joel Campbell started his career as striker and could be given a go up front. Sanchez as well. So it's not as if we don't have options or haven't had the option to try a different set up. I think you're being slightly naive.

Also, this isn't a myth about Vardy only thriving off balls over the top. You've constructed that argument from thin air and think people are being swept away the media some how. I don't pay attention to that crap. If you're looking at his goals and counting how many of those goals didn't come from a ball over the top hoof, you're not looking at what I'm looking at. I'm basing my argument off two teams with very different attacking philosophies. One team plays counter attacking football and the other plays the possession game and pins an opponent back trying to ware them down with a million passes.

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I'm not saying Wenger wouldn't sign a player like Vardy and then try to shoehorn him into our shit system. I'm not saying that at all. I'm hoping, more than anything else, that after 10 years of seeing the same shit over and over even Wenger has twigged. It might be a vain hope, but it literally would be crazy to buy Vardy and then set him up to play with his back to goal. Can Wenger do crazy things? Of course. Will he keep doing them? I hope not. We know Wenger is here for at least another season, I'm betting it's another four seasons, so if you can't hope he'll figure this shit out and react accordingly you're essentially saying that's it for us - fuck all for the foreseeable future. And you may be right. But if all hope is gone then I wonder what other sport we can watch while we wait for Wenger to bugger off?

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Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72

Leicester vice chairman has as good as said Vardy is staying at Leicester. So I wonder if there is a plan B.....

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Well not really, he has come out and said he thinks he'll stay. Hardly conclusive given he is the vice-chairman.

He hasn't decided yet still. Dick.

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Originally Posted by Özim

:goodpost: You've got him here, Podolski is a perfect example, he'd scored goals up front before he came and as you say ended up on the wing, some people like to live in denial.

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Poldi had been out on the wing for Germany for most of the time he has played for them - it wasn't an unknown position for him.

Also when he did play as the striker, granted it wasn't much but when he did his performances were quite rancid.

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Originally Posted by Özim

:goodpost: You've got him here, Podolski is a perfect example, he'd scored goals up front before he came and as you say ended up on the wing, some people like to live in denial.

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You've got him there! Brilliant. How old are you again?

Anyway, Podolski played on the left for Germany, so it's a role he's more than comfortable with. In fact, that is where people started to notice him outside of his league because he played so well at Euro 2008 onwards. My comment was that Wenger hasn't played a first team regular absurdly out of position on a consistent basis. Podolski doesn't fit that profile. Putting Vardy, who has played a couple of times on the wing for England, out on the left for us would be insane and Wenger has no record of doing that for experienced players.

EDIT: just noticed Maccy said exactly the same thing above.

Maybe we should sign Gotze as our striker or revert back to playing Ozil out wide if we're going on what Germany do.

Podolski wasn't more than comfortable with that role but I suppose when called up for International duty you're happy to be selecting and do your duty. He preferred playing down the middle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...t-Arsenal.html

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Podolski, though, favours the central role he performed in scoring 32 goals over the past two seasons at Cologne. “I’d rather play centrally up front,” said Podolski. “On the left I have to do a lot of defensive work, constantly running up and down. I am not a classical winger.”

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Also, Pod had only scored two goals over two years at International level. But in his last season for Koln he scored 18. Which performances were more likely to get him on our scouting list especially since we were preparing to lose our striker? Also, it says a lot that we started him off as a striker in our first game of the season. He was bought to play that role and would have stayed playing that role if not so 'rancid' or if we didn't also buy Giroud that window. So the original intention was there which makes this relevant to Vardy.

Vardy has played for on the wings for England if we're going look at International records and he's also had odd games out wide for Leicester so it's a possible option for Wenger if see's that something isn't quite right about Vardy up front. It's something to bear in mind.

Here is Wenger's reason for shifting Pod out wide. So if he tries to play Vardy as a target man and it fails, we may see him attempt the same thing. It's not impossible.

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Wenger told Arsenal.com: "I played him centre forward a few times and I felt he came a lot to the ball, more like an off-striker than a target striker."

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All attacking players prefer playing in the middle as they see that as the best place to get glory; someone has to play out wide. He got 16 for us in his first season, two less than when he was the outright striker and that's most likely more than any other players we've played out wide recently, apart from Alexis.

I don't get what the issue is.

Your response on saying Poldolski was from Kano saying we haven't taken a player and put them in an absurdly different position; mentioning Vardy and England is facetious when Vardy has been with England for all of a handful of games - Podolski had been with Germany on the left for a long, sustained period of time.

The point is, for Podolski it is not an absurd position he has not experienced.

Also you say don't presume to know what Wenger would do with Vardy but then you're saying Podolski was bought to play as a striker for us as shown in the first game of the season he played for us? If that's the case, then can it not be said Wenger didn't like what he saw in that first game?

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Poldi had been out on the wing for Germany for most of the time he has played for them - it wasn't an unknown position for him.

Also when he did play as the striker, granted it wasn't much but when he did his performances were quite rancid.

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Podolski didn't fit into our system well, he did score some goals though, in addition he never got much of a run up front to play himself into form.

Yes he played there for Germany but primarily he's a forward and that's where he's most effective.

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Originally Posted by Kano

You've got him there! Brilliant. How old are you again?

Anyway, Podolski played on the left for Germany, so it's a role he's more than comfortable with. In fact, that is where people started to notice him outside of his league because he played so well at Euro 2008 onwards. My comment was that Wenger hasn't played a first team regular absurdly out of position on a consistent basis. Podolski doesn't fit that profile. Putting Vardy, who has played a couple of times on the wing for England, out on the left for us would be insane and Wenger has no record of doing that for experienced players.

EDIT: just noticed Maccy said exactly the same thing above.

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You've got a nerve to say that to me after your recent posts to be honest.

He made a valid point, for some reason you refuse to acknowledge what Wenger does with players, he's got a record of playing them in the wrong positions, he's done it reguarly I find it odd you play dum with this.

Vardy has pace, it's quite feasible he could appear on the wing, for some reason you don't seem to think so. Podolski score plenty of goals before he arrived, didn't stop Wenger playing him as a winger instead of up front where he would score goals.

I also find it odd you're coming round to the idea of Vardy based on a few nonsense stats rather than real life game time too be honest, you're easily swayed.