When will Arteta be sacked by

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Originally Posted by IBK

The other irony was that we signed Raya in large part for his distribution. I cannot help but feel that this was to give us another option by going long so as to stretch play going forwards. But we don't even seem to be able to spring properly when the other side is on us...

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This was evident against Aston Villa, you had Rogers and Watkins pressing us high which meant that neither Rice or Partey felt comfortable enough on the ball to bring it forward. Of course it didn’t help that Timber was playing left full back and because of the inverted silly nonsense was also playing partly in midfield. What I will say is that I think from what I saw against Southampton in the second half, is that one player who is good at springing an attack is Ricardo Calafiori, he’s far more comfortable on the ball than anyone else we play at left back, I think he does gel well with Martinelli as well.
What’s got to stop happening is the failed experiment of Rice at 8, it’s so silly…Rice is brilliant at six he can read danger like Peter Parker and he’s excellent at putting out fires…why are we trying to get him to be something he isn’t.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It's the 3rd season in a row we haven't had a striker worthy of the name. We mostly got away with it last year, we're not this season so far.

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I actually think Havertz is 90% that guy but he's being played in the Odegaard slot atm and it's masively reduced our effectiveness - there was a really good example of Saka putting a in a good cross v Newcastle and no-one there, not even Trossard, as both he and Havertz are playing hybrid forward/midfielder roles

eitherh way Havertz on his own isn't enough and we should have recuited more in that area.

I want to give Sterling time but he's just a squad player and not the answer to the bigger questions

Overall everything people say here about our approach being too defensive is right - it's at least four things:

- putting Havertz in midfield instead of keeping him at 9...
- ... which is because he won't start Nwaneri in the PL despite him looking like he can handle it
- being too defensive when with 10 men - I believe we could have beaten Brighton and/or got a point against Bournemouth with a more positive approach - it's what Pep would have done
- spending too much time on recruiting for the defensive positions and not enough up top - we should have paid whatever it took to get Seskop IMO

And my fear is that if they give Arteta even more control with Edu's departure it will only get worse

Oh and PLEASE can someone change the thread title to 'By when will Arteta be sacked?' :)

Arsenal have gone down another Wenger endless promise Rabbit hole. He will spend a decade here at least before we realise there is no "there, there".

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Oh and PLEASE can someone change the thread title to 'By when will Arteta be sacked?' :)

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Arsenal have gone down another Wenger endless promise Rabbit hole. He will spend a decade here at least before we realise there is no "there, there".

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That's my concern too, we could be in for some very painful years in which one by one we lose some fantastic once-in-a-lifetime players and it all turns to shite

Edu's departure is the canary in the coalmine

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Originally Posted by Mac76

That's my concern too, we could be in for some very painful years in which one by one we lose some fantastic once-in-a-lifetime players and it all turns to shite

Edu's departure is the canary in the coalmine

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That's my concern too. It is maybe understandable that having fought so hard and for so long for the league, finished second 2 seasons in a row and not having had the reinforcements it needs over last Summer, our team is looking flat this season.

But there is something not quite right about us this season so far. Whether or not Edu's shock departure reflects this we don't know, but it seems a strange decision to leave before the plan we were all told is in place reaches fruition.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

That's my concern too, we could be in for some very painful years in which one by one we lose some fantastic once-in-a-lifetime players and it all turns to shite

Edu's departure is the canary in the coalmine

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Not sure, not saying you’re wrong but also far from convinced you’re right

KSE was quite ruthless when it came to getting rid of Emery and Arteta has not got the goodwill stored that Wenger had with the three titles and countless seasons in the champions league

There are definite causes for concern. But still wouldn’t be quick to go into panic mode.

What I’m guessing happened with Edu is that he was headhunted by Evangelos Marinakis, he was interested in the offer but was above board and went to Arsenal to see if they would offer him the amount that might keep him from taking the offer, they didn’t and so he took the job. The media love to make a mountain out of a molehill, but I’ve seen no indication thus far that it was an acrimonious split, but who knows maybe in the next few weeks we will discover that it was all raised voices, fingers pointed etc

But too soon to say

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Originally Posted by IBK

That's my concern too. It is maybe understandable that having fought so hard and for so long for the league, finished second 2 seasons in a row and not having had the reinforcements it needs over last Summer, our team is looking flat this season.

But there is something not quite right about us this season so far. Whether or not Edu's shock departure reflects this we don't know, but it seems a strange decision to leave before the plan we were all told is in place reaches fruition.

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Do you not think that a lot of this trust the process stuff is largely PR to keep the fans onside. Purely speculative on my part but you can see in my reply to Mac, what I think went down. Now if I’m right (and by no means am I even suggesting I am, I’m merely spitballing) but if I’m right it would suggest that maybe the club felt that Edu wasn’t someone who they felt needed to be kept on at all cost.

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Not sure, not saying you’re wrong but also far from convinced you’re right

KSE was quite ruthless when it came to getting rid of Emery and Arteta has not got the goodwill stored that Wenger had with the three titles and countless seasons in the champions league

There are definite causes for concern. But still wouldn’t be quick to go into panic mode.

What I’m guessing happened with Edu is that he was headhunted by Evangelos Marinakis, he was interested in the offer but was above board and went to Arsenal to see if they would offer him the amount that might keep him from taking the offer, they didn’t and so he took the job. The media love to make a mountain out of a molehill, but I’ve seen no indication thus far that it was an acrimonious split, but who knows maybe in the next few weeks we will discover that it was all raised voices, fingers pointed etc

But too soon to say

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You saw this i posted the other day right?

https://www.teamtalk.com/arsenal/tru...-are-clarified

"We have been informed that the reason for his departure is due to ‘internal disagreements over the line to follow for the future of Arsenal, which arose amid a long-term strategic review of the club.’

Sources say that Edu holds ‘opposing positions to other leading figures at Arsenal about the next steps for the development of Arsenal’ and in order not to ruin his ‘fantastic’ relationship with the club, decided to leave."

OK so we don't know how much Arteta was personally responsible for the differences of opinion but it certainly wouldn't be a surprise