Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You really can't see the difference between a regular business with employees and a football club, can you?

The guy is offered a fabulous contract given his circumstances, knows he'll be first choice, spent the weekend dancing around with the FA Cup and having the fans chant for him to stay. In response he decides to go and warm the bench of our rivals?

Show some gratitude :haha:

Let me clue you in. Maybe it is all about contracts and the money for the modern player - and that's very sad if true. But believe me when I say, for some fans football is more than that. Much more.

You're not contracted to be an Arsenal fan next season. Why don't you support the gypos next year? Wouldn't that be the sensible option, in purely pragmatic terms? They'll probably buy the title again, they may progress in the CL, they'll get all the headlines and the plaudits. You'd get way more return on your investment. It makes no sense to stick with Arsenal when there's more on offer elsewhere.

But you won't go and support them, even though it makes practical sense. Perhaps, maybe, for you it's about more than just the money and the trophies? Is it?

Well all I'm saying is for some players that's not the case. It's ONLY about the money - as Sagna is clearly demonstrating. Fine, that's his decision and he's contractually entitled to it. But I'm entitled to my opinion as well, based on more than just a contract. I'm of the opinion he's a worthless cunt and a cancer on the game. And I doubt I'll be alone in thinking it. I can't see where gratitude comes into it. If he even gets on the pitch, the moment he steps out against us in that hated kit - where is the gratitude supposed to come from? Gratitude?

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Footballers arent fans. Fans are irrational, so the same rules dont apply as with players. I get what your saying, but Sagna staying wont change whats happening around football in general. If city are already in peril of falling foul of FFP. Then why buy an ageing player who isnt a pressing need for them?. They do it just because they can. If they took 30 mins to look around the football world they could find a capable RB, 6 years younger than Sagna, who would be happy with 30k pw. It just shows that FFP is just an illusion. You let a billionaire club pay a paltry fine instead of barring them signing new players outright or kicking them out of the damn competition they just broke the rules for. That would be a proper penalty.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You really can't see the difference between a regular business with employees and a football club, can you?

The guy is offered a fabulous contract given his circumstances, knows he'll be first choice, spent the weekend dancing around with the FA Cup and having the fans chant for him to stay. In response he decides to go and warm the bench of our rivals?

Show some gratitude :haha:

Let me clue you in. Maybe it is all about contracts and the money for the modern player - and that's very sad if true. But believe me when I say, for some fans football is more than that. Much more.

You're not contracted to be an Arsenal fan next season. Why don't you support the gypos next year? Wouldn't that be the sensible option, in purely pragmatic terms? They'll probably buy the title again, they may progress in the CL, they'll get all the headlines and the plaudits. You'd get way more return on your investment. It makes no sense to stick with Arsenal when there's more on offer elsewhere.

But you won't go and support them, even though it makes practical sense. Perhaps, maybe, for you it's about more than just the money and the trophies? Is it?

Well all I'm saying is for some players that's not the case. It's ONLY about the money - as Sagna is clearly demonstrating. Fine, that's his decision and he's contractually entitled to it. But I'm entitled to my opinion as well, based on more than just a contract. I'm of the opinion he's a worthless cunt and a cancer on the game. And I doubt I'll be alone in thinking it. I can't see where gratitude comes into it. If he even gets on the pitch, the moment he steps out against us in that hated kit - where is the gratitude supposed to come from? Gratitude?

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Did you think that about Sol Campbell when he was out of contract at Spurs and moved to us?

A player out of contract can do what he wants, if we don't offer him what he feels he needs then he's entitled to move. We sign players in contract all the time, does that make them c*nts?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Did you think that about Sol Campbell when he was out of contract at Spurs and moved to us?

A player out of contract can do what he wants, if we don't offer him what he feels he needs then he's entitled to move. We sign players in contract all the time, does that make them c*nts?

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Yep I did and I've said so several times in the past, including recently. He's a spud.

Depends on the circumstances. If I want to be PM first I have to get into politics, I don't just start at the top. Same for footballers so there's an understanding the top players will graduate to the top clubs over time. No issues there. Different thing entirely when you reach the top tier and then go to a rival for more money. It's not like these players are down to their last penny, they have millions anyway so they can well afford to give back some of the privilege they enjoy in the form of commitment and loyalty. A few do it, most don't. Just because it's the norm for players to put cash above all else, in a team game btw, not just some day job, doesn't mean we have to write off the principles. If everyone is doing it wrong then it's still wrong. Didn't buy Fabregas' bullshit about his boyhood club, certainly didn't by van Cash Machine's bullshit, we all know about Cashley Cole and they are just a few of the names. Once all the players abandon everything bar the cash then what sort of a club and team is left? It's just a bunch of mercenaries passing through. You can say you understand it and you could even push it to the extreme like some have done and ask the fans to be grateful for it ( :haha: ) but a whole chunk of what the game is supposed to be is gone and who can seriously think that's a good thing?

Why was every fan made up after the cup win? Because we have a trophy? Because we can brag to other fans? Hardly. Many said it, they've waited years to see the culmination of all those matches and match threads and newspaper reports and Maureen outbursts and everything else that goes into the game that's way beyond the cash. Week after week after week. This is what marks chavs and gypos out from the rest, they see these intangibles as commodities that can be bought and their disease is infecting the game. The net result of it all will be plastic teams, plastic players and plastic fans. That's where we are heading. Individuals like Sagna are greasing the tracks.

Anyway, Sagna's a gypo now so therefore a cunt by default. No other reason required.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

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yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 18m
My agent was trying to make a point here on my behalf, joke aside.It seems important for me to make a statement..i am going to do so.

yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 6m
Everything dimitry said is true . He speaks for me . I will give an interview after world cup to explain

:wave:

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Footballers arent fans. Fans are irrational, so the same rules dont apply as with players. I get what your saying, but Sagna staying wont change whats happening around football in general. If city are already in peril of falling foul of FFP. Then why buy an ageing player who isnt a pressing need for them?. They do it just because they can. If they took 30 mins to look around the football world they could find a capable RB, 6 years younger than Sagna, who would be happy with 30k pw. It just shows that FFP is just an illusion. You let a billionaire club pay a paltry fine instead of barring them signing new players outright or kicking them out of the damn competition they just broke the rules for. That would be a proper penalty.

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I don't expect the players to be as fanatical to the cause as the fans, it would be nice of they were fans too but I get the career element involved. Would be inspiring to see one of them say hey, I'm a rich guy, I play for a great club, we are back to winning trophies, the manager wants me, the fans want me, I'm first choice for the team, I have an International career, I'm going to the World Cup, I have a fashion model wife, drive a fancy sports car, life is grand and I'm staying at the club that helped me get all that and I'm sticking with the fans who paid for it and cheered me on through thick and thin.

He said, oh, more cash and all I have to do is sit on a bench? Playing for the fierce rivals of my current team you say? Okay, no problem, where do I sign? Adios SUCKERS!

Makes you feel a bit sick, especially the scenes of him parading around with the cup.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You really can't see the difference between a regular business with employees and a football club, can you?

The guy is offered a fabulous contract given his circumstances, knows he'll be first choice, spent the weekend dancing around with the FA Cup and having the fans chant for him to stay. In response he decides to go and warm the bench of our rivals?

Show some gratitude :haha:

Let me clue you in. Maybe it is all about contracts and the money for the modern player - and that's very sad if true. But believe me when I say, for some fans football is more than that. Much more.

You're not contracted to be an Arsenal fan next season. Why don't you support the gypos next year? Wouldn't that be the sensible option, in purely pragmatic terms? They'll probably buy the title again, they may progress in the CL, they'll get all the headlines and the plaudits. You'd get way more return on your investment. It makes no sense to stick with Arsenal when there's more on offer elsewhere.

But you won't go and support them, even though it makes practical sense. Perhaps, maybe, for you it's about more than just the money and the trophies? Is it?

Well all I'm saying is for some players that's not the case. It's ONLY about the money - as Sagna is clearly demonstrating. Fine, that's his decision and he's contractually entitled to it. But I'm entitled to my opinion as well, based on more than just a contract. I'm of the opinion he's a worthless cunt and a cancer on the game. And I doubt I'll be alone in thinking it. I can't see where gratitude comes into it. If he even gets on the pitch, the moment he steps out against us in that hated kit - where is the gratitude supposed to come from? Gratitude?

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As Globalgooner rightly points out, you need to work out the difference between a fan and a player. This blind rage is skewing your perspective. If all clubs and players operated on the principles you preach, there would be no transfer window and Sagna shouldn’t even be playing for us. He’d have stayed in France. If he’s agreed to stay with us for a number of years and fulfilled his contract, he’s done his service. He hasn’t agreed to play for us his whole career.

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Originally Posted by Borini Is Boss

yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 18m
My agent was trying to make a point here on my behalf, joke aside.It seems important for me to make a statement..i am going to do so.

yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 6m
Everything dimitry said is true . He speaks for me . I will give an interview after world cup to explain

:wave:

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As I've always said - cunt of a human being, just another mercenary in a joke outfit stuffed with mercenaries, only in it for the cash, no respect for the game, and overrated too. The media's pandering and fawning is starting to look a little silly now - not that they'll reflect on that as they sharpen their knives.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

As Globalgooner rightly points out, you need to work out the difference between a fan and a player. This blind rage is skewing your perspective. If all clubs and players operated on the principles you preach, there would be no transfer window and Sagna shouldn’t even be playing for us. He’d have stayed in France. If he’s agreed to stay with us for a number of years and fulfilled his contract, he’s done his service. He hasn’t agreed to play for us his whole career.

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Erm no, I thought I was supposed to be grateful?

And you should be too. You never said thanks to Global for providing you with a new argument when your own fell flat.

And you're sill not even in the vicinity of getting it. If Marketing had come along and offered him the chance of a lifetime then okay, you can start to understand it. But this is the gypos offering him a bag of cash to sit on a bench. But I suppose if he has so little respect for himself then he's hardly likely to have any for the club or the fans.

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Originally Posted by Borini Is Boss

yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 18m
My agent was trying to make a point here on my behalf, joke aside.It seems important for me to make a statement..i am going to do so.

yaya toure ‏@Toure_yaya42 6m
Everything dimitry said is true . He speaks for me . I will give an interview after world cup to explain

:wave:

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Lol. Just say you want more money ffs, no one cares :haha: . He should hire Rooney's agent, this guy looks like a fool.

Make a bid Arsene ;)