"This idiot should realise he's part of the reason we've done so shit in the league this season."
is idiocy when RvP was the only reason we didn't finish 7th.
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"This idiot should realise he's part of the reason we've done so shit in the league this season."
is idiocy when RvP was the only reason we didn't finish 7th.
I have been a silent reader for years, and I recall these same claims being made about henry,adebayor,fabregas,nasri etc. They seem to have produced adequately everywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
With regards to your first point, RVP manufactured several goals out of nothing to save our skins last season. That is the only real quality that got us anywhere near the top last season. Anyone who disputes that deserves to be laughed at. This is why top teams come after such players. So to suggest RVP wont be prolific in another team is actually quite ridiculous considering his record with us. Even adebayor seems to be doing well elsewhere.
As to RVP being a committed captain, who gives a shit. I don't. If the board are happy to keep arming the team with steak knives and send them to gunfights every season, we could have spartacus as captain and he will also say fuck it after he puts in the same shift as RVP did last season!
PHW claims it was nice to sell his shares and make some decent money --- it's always nice to make some money, he says. Why shouldn't the players of the club put their financial interests first? Every member of the board did/does ffs!
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Originally Posted by gooners
If you have been a silent reader then why don't you read my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
I neither claimed that RVP had wasn't an essential player for us last season, nor that he would not be prolific elsewhere. What I asked was whether he would be as prolific elsewhere. A fair question. In an attacking team that does not play solely for a striker playing in his optimum position, it is reasonable to ask whether he will score as many goals. I wonder, for example, how many Dutch fans see RVP as quite the goal machine as we do.
Adebayor is doing OK elsewhere, yes. But is he as prolific as he was in his stand out season with us? No. Is he over-valued? - Well the fact that Citeh are looking like having to pay for him to go to Spurs might suggest that.
You have an issue with the board? Fine. But don't use that to bracket me with revisionist posters just because I dare to ask sensible questions about some prick who wants away from our club.
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Originally Posted by gooners
Good first post! It's déjà vu. It bothers me that the board and manager keep making the same mistakes each season but it also really annoys me to hear fans follow the same pattern of thought each time a player wants to leave.
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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
Why are people always so irascible on on internet boards?. Its as if any contrary opinion is a challenge to ones manhood or maybe womanhood (dont want to appear sexist). Contrary opinions that do not make personal insults should not be answered by SCUD missile barrages. It gets all so tedious at times. The man made a reasonable post with no belittling content. This is the reason why the world is in such a mess. Cant we fight with pillows instead of sledgehammers..... can we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
Ok I re-read the post so maybe there was some inferred sarcasm but still, this stuff cant be good for anyone`s B.P
It wasn't a particularly aggressive post, mate. This was more aggressive...Anyone who disputes that deserves to be laughed at :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Matey, I am only challenging the relevance and validity of the claims/argument you are looking to make. Just because you deem them to be sensible doesn't automatically make them so. So I shall try again:
1. RVP is a quality player -- whether he can be considered a goal machine or not is irrelevant; His quality in a mediocre team was our only redeeming factor last season. The quality of the goals he engineered for himself and the efficiency with which he dispatched those created for him were NO fluke. And I am not talking about how essential he was to us; I am refering to his quality as a player.
2. You claim he may have benefited from a primarily attacking team. I argue there is no basis for that claim. Why? Because we were not even the top scoring team last season. And we were quite a few goals off the top of the scoring chart. So for RVP to claim the scoring title is actually quite remarkable --- and mainly speaks to his quality than to the team he plays in. The same quality that we lost in Henry,Fabregas,Nasri, etc. And Just because we can't defend doesn't make us an attacking team in the main.
3. FACT: ade is being flogged by city because he had a falling out with mancini; NOT because he wasn't producing. Mancini had his own ideas when he took over. Even so, Ade did a lot better at Spurs last season than all our other strikers combined! So to suggest he is being flogged by city for not producing is a distortion of the facts. Therefore my point that he is performing adequately elsewhere is sound and valid.
4. Do I have a problem with our board? Yes! Is it relevant with regards to your question about RVP's commitment as a captain? YES.
You want to discuss effect without acknowledging the likely causes? Fine. But where is the 'sense' in that? So my point about board is to point out clearly to you where the main cause of the problem stems. You cannot ignore the board running the club as a pure financial investment and then question the commitment of players when they decide to put their interests first.
What more could RVP have done as a captain last season other than put in that performance?
:gp: A breath of fresh air- please post more :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners