So what do we do about it, easy posting on a message board and saying this but what action needs to be taken. We know stan won't sack wenger like she should so what next ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
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So what do we do about it, easy posting on a message board and saying this but what action needs to be taken. We know stan won't sack wenger like she should so what next ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
Seen lol, haha Wenger supporters on there are funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Valmer
I think differently. I think Wenger was an important reason why Kroenke bought the club because he spotted a manager who can achieve top 4 and still turn a profit, and I think with that track record Kroenke with no knowledge of 'soccer' gives AW free reign. IMHO what we are seeing is a messianic manager being indulged. He believes that what he is doing is morally right, and he refuses to accept that his judgments can be challenged. In all his project players he sees superstars and regards it as almost an admission of defeat to bring in players to challenge then. Problem is that players don't believe in him any more. I fear our manager is becoming an anachronism - his values, as admirable as they may be, don't apply in the modern game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Sad but true. And it is even sadder that the game is leaving behind one of its great managers without a second glance. Football is an unforgiving beast and Wenger is learning that to his detriment. The game is being run by people who have money to burn and is being played by people wanting that burning cash. We on the other hand are being managed by a moralist who is directed by a bunch of money grabbing scumbags.
Wenger is being the model employee and doing what he is told and at the sametime thinking that at some point everyone is going to have to come round to his way of thinking, rather thanthe other way round. I cant see that FFP is can to chsnge the playing suface too much and by the looks of it we are going to be too far behind to catch up quickly in any case.
The idealists amongst us all pray that Wenger has got it right and that this is all part of a masterplan but there is no gain without a little pain which makes our closing of business with profit a little frustrating for the fans, a group that dont always consider the bigger picture their responsibility to keep in mind.
Football is a business where those involved no longer put emphasis on the love of the game or the fans, especially at the top end. SAF I believes loves the game but has woken up to its cruelty long ago, everything about Citeh stinks, Di Matteo may love the game but is like a kid in a sweet shop now, the lower you go down it may get better but its such a sad group as they have not the slightest hope in hell. . .the likes of MON, Clarke, Moyes, Lambert et all and then there is Wenger, our very own Arsene, allowing himself to be controlled by a different breed of money vulture, not the kind we see circling over the Eitihad or Stamford the kind that eats the money and then shits it out all over the place for others to get their mouths around but the kind that eats the stuff and purs a plug in their hole so that not one penny can squeeze it way out.
Whether Wenger is parley to all of this is not always easy to gauge, for me anyway but he is sure as heck not doing much to change things, scrapping for fiurth and feeling a job has been done well is no way a team like ours should be functioning but it does and those that say well if the guys up top say thats enough then Wenger is devoid of blame are equally as unambitious as the club itself.
We all probably dont want to see the club go down the same road
as Citeh or Chelsea but silly money is the order of the day and there are waves of it around, Wenger may see himself as the rock that those waves break themselves on but the opposite is true, it is the waves that are breaking the rock and there isnt much he can do.
The sad thing is that it probably wouldnt have taken a sack load, its pointless going through the names but the likes of Dempsey cost next to nothing, Dembele would have been affordable and Felliani nothing more than what clubs have bought our players for. Its a joke we are not willing to pay what we receive (but that was a thought I just had and can be another point. . .)
errm..this so-called moralist/idealist went and loaned a player last season from one of the clubs he abhors for destroying the game.
it is akin to me going to borrow money from a firend whom i continually castigate for being a bank robber.
Its sad but true, the system that allowed WEGNER to play a moneyball type of system is no longer in service. Every league correctly values their players and that, diamond in the rough, so to speak, that unearthed the likes of Viera, Henry and others, no longer applies to modern football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
If you want top talent, expect to pay through the nose for it.
That's something WEGNER no longer realises.
At first i thought it was a simple mistake but you keep doing it
Whats with the Wegner?
He also has no problems using the 'financially doped' clubs to inflate the transfer fees of our own players when up for sale. Moralist and idealist my ass. It's only when it suits him and he's just as bad as the sharks sitting in the boardroom. I'm not on board with this idea that he's some sort of lone ranger. It may appear that way with his constant preaching but his actions are inconsistent. We court the attention of the oil baron clubs to achieve our own financial goals. We'd have never been able to sell Ade for that fee to another club that wasn't 'doped', never been able to sell Nasri for that fee with a year left on his contract and we've also gotten very good money for the sales of Clichy and Toure. With RVP, we happily courted City's attention in order to coax Man Utd into action and up their transfer fee. He's happy to inflate the price of our own players if it means we achieve profit but then chastise the 'doped' clubs for inflating fees. It makes business sense to do this but he's no moralist. It's only when it suits him. After selling RVP, he said he'd have preferred to sell to a foreign club like PSG. Come on now, PSG! Why not Juve? Because they weren't able to offer an inflated price. We'd never pay over the odds for a player with a year left on his contract!Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
I don't like this idea that he's being used as a pawn either. He's an intelligent guy and knows what he's doing and saying. Just check his comments today about us living in an 'emotional society' and that we should all 'think before we speak'. It's an utter piss take as if we haven't thought about this for the past 7 years. Fuck him! That's a message to the fans. That's what he chooses to say to the press knowing that the fans are upset with our transfer dealings this summer.
He makes it easy for the board. In footballing terms, he's able legitamise and justify their tight fisted ways and balancing act. The 30 plus contract rule and his recent comments about players on the decline earning massive wages; the board must love that shit. It's a seal of approval and makes sense financially for them but Wenger rubber stamps it with his football logic. One of the suits would never be able to stand before the fans and justify this wage structure and relate it back to the fans so it makes sense in footballing terms. They'd never be able to justify the 30 plus contract rule without Wenger. They'd only be able to point to a balance sheet and explain how we save money. Wenger has data and experience on when players start to decline and when performance starts to suffer on the pitch. That's gold to them. They can hide behind that. They don't have that sort of knowledge. Wenger has no problem volunteering this sort of information to the press and fans. He knows his opinion is highly regarded; he's aware of his influence and what is said about him in the press. His recent comments take the absolute piss.
He's happy to dupe the fans. I heard at an AGM meeting when Gazidis and PHW were getting jeered by the crowd, he jumped in front of the bullets and protected them. He jumped in and started speaking about the club and our vision and that tamed the crowd. He had instant respect and it was if Yoda had just spoken during a heated Jedi council debate. It was reported on Arseblog and Le Grove some months back. Why would he do that if he's getting screwed over and doing simply what he's told? He agrees with this. When the club announced they were raising ticket prices, he said that it was necessary in order to compete with clubs like Chelsea and City. That's utter bollocks but he said it anyway and knew if he related such a financially motivated ploy back to the football pitch, we'd all understand. Forget painting Wenger as a moralist. He's the con man. Without him, the con doesn't work. People trust him and it's how the club gets away with it.
Couldnt have put it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
JSAO: "Wenger is being the model employee and doing what he is told and at the sametime thinking that at some point everyone is going to have to come round to his way of thinking, rather thanthe other way round. I cant see that FFP is can to chsnge the playing suface too much and by the looks of it we are going to be too far behind to catch up quickly in any case."
I couldnt disagree more. How can you call him a model employee?! What he is doing by 'doing what the employer asks' him is killing our club! Its like saying "I killed the child because my employer told me to do so.. I am a model employee!" Where is the freaking conscience?! What happened to all that winning mentality?! I can understand people with normal jobs sucking their boss's dick just so that they can earn enough money to make ends meet. Whats Wenger's excuse? Old geezer is rich beyond what we all could ever earn... all he needs to do is the right thing and quit. Unfortunately like PnG said, he is the main culprit- the con man!
You've completely misrepresented or misunderstood my views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
You're arguing against something I haven't said.