Match Reaction vs QPR

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And you can remember every single goal those guys scored to tally up those numbers? It's not as if Theo doesn't score in the big games. He's scored a goal against all the big clubs and in the big games. Let's not pretend it's only against small teams.

There is no comparison but there are many people on here, including yourself that say he doesn't contribute much but he's scored more goals this season than any of Wenger's non strikers. It's a nutty stat and he has the potential to do more because this hasn't been a great season for him or the squad in general.

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I did an analysis of walnuts goals a while back, he's a classic +1 player. Slightly better from him recently in terms of getting useful goals but he's anything but an effective forward. I'd love to see us buy a footballer to replace him. We'd still get the 20 goals but we'd also get so much more that walnut cant provide. The poor bastard screws up 99% of everything that comes his way. He's a disaster zone who statistically over a season will be in the right place enough times to hack something into the net. But that shouldn't be used as cover for his lack of technical and even basic ability. Worrying thing is Ox looks a shadow of the player he was last year. Don't know what Wenger does to these guys but he should stop doing it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I did an analysis of walnuts goals a while back, he's a classic +1 player. Slightly better from him recently in terms of getting useful goals but he's anything but an effective forward. I'd love to see us buy a footballer to replace him. We'd still get the 20 goals but we'd also get so much more that walnut cant provide. The poor bastard screws up 99% of everything that comes his way. He's a disaster zone who statistically over a season will be in the right place enough times to hack something into the net. But that shouldn't be used as cover for his lack of technical and even basic ability. Worrying thing is Ox looks a shadow of the player he was last year. Don't know what Wenger does to these guys but he should stop doing it.

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:lol: We'd still get 20?

How comes Nasri, Hleb, Gervinho, Rosicky, Reyes....or any wide player we've bought since the old days haven't been able to rack up the numbers? If it were that easy someone would have done it by now and those players are technically better than Theo.

I hear the criticism about his limitations but for a limited player he's doing really well and can get better. It's so ignorant to say he contributes nothing, especially when compared to past players. It was bad enough yesterday when he scored the only goal in the game that got us the 3 points. He's an unpolished player that can improve and needs to find consistency but if he finds that then we have a serious beast on our hands and it's worth persisting with him especially if we all can agree that he can improve.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:lol: We'd still get 20?

How comes Nasri, Hleb, Gervinho, Rosicky, Reyes....or any wide player we've bought since the old days haven't been able to rack up the numbers? If it were that easy someone would have done it by now and those players are technically better than Theo.

I hear the criticism about his limitations but for a limited player he's doing really well and can get better. It's so ignorant to say he contributes nothing, especially when compared to past players. It was bad enough yesterday when he scored the only goal in the game that got us the 3 points. He's an unpolished player that can improve and needs to find consistency but if he finds that then we have a serious beast on our hands and it's worth persisting with him especially if we all can agree that he can improve.

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If we'd have stopped playing yesterday after walnut fluked his gal we would ave lost by around 180 goals to 1. So no, walnut didn't win us the game just like his +1s that have racked up stats have done us precious little in terms of us achieving anything notable this season. If any of those players you mentioned were in a team as shit as the one we ave know they'd have played more and got more goals. But we had decent players back then and didn't need to field a first team against reading in the CC so Pires could rack up stats and then take a holiday. You evidently don't watch Walcott other than when he's kneeing or shinning it into the net. Watch him next time he's useless at every aspect of the game.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

If we'd have stopped playing yesterday after walnut fluked his gal we would ave lost by around 180 goals to 1. So no, walnut didn't win us the game just like his +1s that have racked up stats have done us precious little in terms of us achieving anything notable this season. If any of those players you mentioned were in a team as shit as the one we ave know they'd have played more and got more goals. But we had decent players back then and didn't need to field a first team against reading in the CC so Pires could rack up stats and then take a holiday. You evidently don't watch Walcott other than when he's kneeing or shinning it into the net. Watch him next time he's useless at every aspect of the game.

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:lol: There is no reasoning with you on this topic. Understand, I'm not saying Theo is perfect but some of the criticism is well off and out of balance. We win by one goal and you're still arguing against that fact. Unbelievable. :doh:

Have a good day, dude.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Does that make a huge difference to the argument?

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Of course, the pressure to perform is so much higher, quality of opponents are different. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:lol: There is no reasoning with you on this topic. Understand, I'm not saying Theo is perfect but some of the criticism is well off and out of balance. We win by one goal and you're still arguing against that fact. Unbelievable. :doh:

Have a good day, dude.

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I'm not arguing we didn't win by a goal. I'm stating walnut didn't win us the game. Him accidentally not fucking up after 20 seconds left a little bit more todo in that match. Not that you'd have known it by Theo's performance.

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Originally Posted by milla

Of course, the pressure to perform is so much higher, quality of opponents are different. :coffee:

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Yep, and there isn't a top side Theo hasn't scored against. Champs League, League or Cup, he's contributed.

Feo:

West Ham away 1-3 (scored the second goal)
Newcastle home 7-3 (scored first and fourth goal - score was 3-3)
Liverpool home 2-2 (scored second goal)
Man Utd home 1-1 (scored only goal)
QPR away 0-1 (scored only goal)

that's eleven points from his goals, and only one of those was as a striker, when he scored a hat trick against newcastle. that's not even analysing the assists that have contributed to other points. i think it would be fair to suggest at least another 6 points would have come as a result of assists he provided.

take those points away and where are we? far too easy to say we could replace those goals very easily because football isn't played on paper.

not the greatest footballer in the world but he is effective. that is the bottom line. that is needed in this team right now.

Oh come on. Giroud has goals too because he plays up top, and he's just as shit as theo. Podolski has hardly started and he has goals. Cazorla has goals. Knock out walcotts +1 goals and he's done no better than anyone else. Then you have to take into account just how poor a player he is. We need much better than Walcott if we are ever going to push on. It's not just him, as I said Giroud, Gervinho, broken players like Diaby they all have to go. Depending if the board actually wants us to move on, which it appears they don't. Of course they need to fuck off too.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Oh come on. Giroud has goals too because he plays up top, and he's just as shit as theo. Podolski has hardly started and he has goals. Cazorla has goals. Knock out walcotts +1 goals and he's done no better than anyone else. Then you have to take into account just how poor a player he is. We need much better than Walcott if we are ever going to push on. It's not just him, as I said Giroud, Gervinho, broken players like Diaby they all have to go. Depending if the board actually wants us to move on, which it appears they don't. Of course they need to fuck off too.

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the post isn't designed to state he is player of the season. of course he isn't. the point was to illustrate that his goals and assists have won us vital points. that's why it makes no sense to highlight him as one of our biggest problems. do we care if we get top four? of course, otherwise we wouldn't be here bollocking on everyday about it and everything else. is it good enough for us or the club? no. is it likely to change? probably not. so the choices for our participation are clear enough.