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22-10-2015, 04:14 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Aguero, Sterling, Bony, DeBruyne, vs Sanchez, Giroud, Walcott, Welbeck. Hmmmm, which to choose?

You take Aguero out of that and Welbeck out of ours, and you will select Arsenals forward line any day. Aguero is the difference in their front line but he is also injury prone. Our GK and defense slightly shade their defense. In midfield, I think we are equal. So tell me how they are leaps ahead of us?

Another thing going for us is the fact that our squad has been together much longer compared to the City guys. This is something you completely ignore, while comparing players just on relative strengths. On every part of the field, we have players with more experience playing as an Arsenal player than City has in terms of experience as a City player.

Again, I am not saying we are the better squad, I am just saying that we are very close. With some luck, sound tactics and more determination, we stand a very very good chance. You just have to look at the last Utd squad that won the PL to see how that can be done, and they actually had a very inferior squad compared to City's.
22-10-2015, 04:23 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

He's definitely no Owen or Wright either. Both those guys were decisive and clinical, which certainly can't be said for Theo at this stage. Theo has ridiculous pace, he's shown signs he's learning how to make the runs and find the space as a striker, he occasionally reminds us he would be a good finisher if he was more focused, but he's a mile behind the likes of Owen and Wright. Owen at a much younger age was well ahead of where Theo is now, and Wright was a late starter but even so developed year in year in a way Theo hasn't. Unfortunately we are still trying to judge Theo's potential. He hasn't arrived yet. He may be closer than ever before but he hasn't arrived.

I remember saying this before some years back but can you imagine if Owen or Wright were played down the wing? Henry himself said he had to relearn how to finish after that stint at Juve on the flanks. You can even see it with Ramsey and how he's totally off his shooting game being played out of position. It's a confidence thing and I think it's taken Theo a while to make that right position his own and finish comfortably. I think we developed him wrong or had him focused on the wrong things from young. Pace is the only reason he was played wide when he should have been learning the art of striking. I don't think he is bad, just not clinical. With practice it will come but we have left it late..
22-10-2015, 04:33 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

You take Aguero out of that and Welbeck out of ours, and you will select Arsenals forward line any day. Aguero is the difference in their front line but he is also injury prone. Our GK and defense slightly shade their defense. In midfield, I think we are equal. So tell me how they are leaps ahead of us?

Another thing going for us is the fact that our squad has been together much longer compared to the City guys. This is something you completely ignore, while comparing players just on relative strengths. On every part of the field, we have players with more experience playing as an Arsenal player than City has in terms of experience as a City player.

Again, I am not saying we are the better squad, I am just saying that we are very close. With some luck, sound tactics and more determination, we stand a very very good chance. You just have to look at the last Utd squad that won the PL to see how that can be done, and they actually had a very inferior squad compared to City's.

Our squad really isn't that bad. Besides having a weaker bench and I think the first team is very close to our rivals. It's just the centre forward position and the right wing that let us down.
22-10-2015, 05:16 PM
Globalgunner

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

You take Aguero out of that and Welbeck out of ours, and you will select Arsenals forward line any day. Aguero is the difference in their front line but he is also injury prone. Our GK and defense slightly shade their defense. In midfield, I think we are equal. So tell me how they are leaps ahead of us?

Another thing going for us is the fact that our squad has been together much longer compared to the City guys. This is something you completely ignore, while comparing players just on relative strengths. On every part of the field, we have players with more experience playing as an Arsenal player than City has in terms of experience as a City player.

Again, I am not saying we are the better squad, I am just saying that we are very close. With some luck, sound tactics and more determination, we stand a very very good chance. You just have to look at the last Utd squad that won the PL to see how that can be done, and they actually had a very inferior squad compared to City's.

Much of what you posted are mere semantics. How has our togetherness been an advantage when City have finished ahead of us the last 5 seasons and actually won the league 2 times in that period. We have a saying in my area, that even when you are weeping buckets of tears, you can still see. How can anyone not see the quality that Debruyne brings. I saw yesterdays goal and thought wow. When last did Giroud, Walcott smash in a worldie that made a difference for us in a crunch tie?. Instead you see Giroud put in a shambles against Monaco last season, Walcott fluff lines repeatedly game after game and we keep saying wait hes gonna come good. Hey we can keep waiting for the stars to align for these players but in the meantime others bag the big spoils and we keep postponing world domination. These players are at the 3rd tier of international quality and some insist that they are not.

The thing about City in truth is that they distort the market with frivoulous spending, because they are not profit centered or even short term business based. They overspent on Sterling even though nobody was in competition with them for his signature. they could easily have got him for 35 or 40m, but they just said fk it. take 60m or whatever it was. Debruyne was slightly different because Wolfsburg are minted and had no reason to sell a player under contract. Sterling had a season left (i think), but no one else even showed any interest at Liverpools asking price. i used to think Sterling was pony, but now i am not so sure.
22-10-2015, 05:25 PM
Alpha

The most annoying thing is how short the memory of most Arsenal fans seems to be . Questioning Walcott at this stage is pointless . He is doing really well in his new role as a striker . It doesn't happen overnight . We saw how Wenger transformed RVP from a winger or second striker to a deadly finisher . What makes you think he will not do it with Walcott ? Most strikers we had in the past succeeded because of Wenger . Henry was just a shy winger at Juventus and Wenger made him one of most fearsome strikers in the league . Please give Walcott time and he will surprise and amaze you .
22-10-2015, 05:34 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Alpha

The most annoying thing is how short the memory of most Arsenal fans seems to be . Questioning Walcott at this stage is pointless . He is doing really well in his new role as a striker . It doesn't happen overnight . We saw how Wenger transformed RVP from a winger or second striker to a deadly finisher . What makes you think he will not do it with Walcott ? Most strikers we had in the past succeeded because of Wenger . Henry was just a shy winger at Juventus and Wenger made him one of most fearsome strikers in the league . Please give Walcott time and he will surprise and amaze you .

We don't need to give him time because the financial position of the club has changed and we are now placed to make good on the promises that underpinned the stadium move. A decade in the wilderness while we constructed a club that could compete at the very top level. Now we can buy the likes of Ozil and Alexis and we can buy a top quality striker too. As it should be, it's down to Theo to prove he can save us the money and make that role his own. He doesn't have much time and to stand a chance he needs to improve significantly in some key areas. He's on the road to doing it but why should the club and the fans wait around through years 11, 12 and 13 for that to happen when we don't need to? Our rivals continuously strengthen and so must we if we are going to seriously challenge them. I'm not against giving Theo the chance to state his claim and I think he'll get until the summer to make an impact due to the difficulty of signing top talent in January. That seems fair enough to me. If we are aiming to be a top club then we need top players. Theo is being given the opportunity to prove he is a top player and beyond that he's owed nothing.
22-10-2015, 05:59 PM
Alpha

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We don't need to give him time because the financial position of the club has changed and we are now placed to make good on the promises that underpinned the stadium move. A decade in the wilderness while we constructed a club that could compete at the very top level. Now we can buy the likes of Ozil and Alexis and we can buy a top quality striker too. As it should be, it's down to Theo to prove he can save us the money and make that role his own. He doesn't have much time and to stand a chance he needs to improve significantly in some key areas. He's on the road to doing it but why should the club and the fans wait around through years 11, 12 and 13 for that to happen when we don't need to? Our rivals continuously strengthen and so must we if we are going to seriously challenge them. I'm not against giving Theo the chance to state his claim and I think he'll get until the summer to make an impact due to the difficulty of signing top talent

in January. That seems fair enough to me. If we are aiming to be a top club then we need

top players. Theo is being given the opportunity to prove he is a top player and beyond that

he's owed nothing.

unfortunetaly , you have no options but to be patient . Even though we had to buy a finished article , they would need time to adapt . Falcao was a striker who would have made a fan of any team excited . But he hasn't found his boots yet from United to Chelsea . Also , Wenger knows any striker needs time to come good and he is very patient with them until , as a connoisseur , he finds out the guy will not make it .
22-10-2015, 06:02 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Much of what you posted are mere semantics. How has our togetherness been an advantage when City have finished ahead of us the last 5 seasons and actually won the league 2 times in that period. We have a saying in my area, that even when you are weeping buckets of tears, you can still see. How can anyone not see the quality that Debruyne brings. I saw yesterdays goal and thought wow. When last did Giroud, Walcott smash in a worldie that made a difference for us in a crunch tie?. Instead you see Giroud put in a shambles against Monaco last season, Walcott fluff lines repeatedly game after game and we keep saying wait hes gonna come good. Hey we can keep waiting for the stars to align for these players but in the meantime others bag the big spoils and we keep postponing world domination. These players are at the 3rd tier of international quality and some insist that they are not.

The thing about City in truth is that they distort the market with frivoulous spending, because they are not profit centered or even short term business based. They overspent on Sterling even though nobody was in competition with them for his signature. they could easily have got him for 35 or 40m, but they just said fk it. take 60m or whatever it was. Debruyne was slightly different because Wolfsburg are minted and had no reason to sell a player under contract. Sterling had a season left (i think), but no one else even showed any interest at Liverpools asking price. i used to think Sterling was pony, but now i am not so sure.

You are concentrating just on City's forward line while ignoring midfield and Goal keeping. De Bruyne is good but you compare him to one our winger- Alexis and De Bruyne will at least now come second. I do not disagree that City shade us overall in quality... what I disagree with is you saying they are leagues ahead of us. You are completely discounting players like Ozil, Coq, Bellerin, Kos, Cech etc when you are looking at our squad.
22-10-2015, 07:10 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We don't need to give him time because the financial position of the club has changed and we are now placed to make good on the promises that underpinned the stadium move. A decade in the wilderness while we constructed a club that could compete at the very top level. Now we can buy the likes of Ozil and Alexis and we can buy a top quality striker too. As it should be, it's down to Theo to prove he can save us the money and make that role his own. He doesn't have much time and to stand a chance he needs to improve significantly in some key areas. He's on the road to doing it but why should the club and the fans wait around through years 11, 12 and 13 for that to happen when we don't need to? Our rivals continuously strengthen and so must we if we are going to seriously challenge them. I'm not against giving Theo the chance to state his claim and I think he'll get until the summer to make an impact due to the difficulty of signing top talent in January. That seems fair enough to me. If we are aiming to be a top club then we need top players. Theo is being given the opportunity to prove he is a top player and beyond that he's owed nothing.

I don't think anyone is asking for a year or two to see how things pan out. I'm just saying have some sort of memory. The Man Utd game wasn't that long ago. Heck, I've seen you be more lenient with Ozil and he has put in maybe a handful of top performances against big clubs. This is his third season now. This is one from Wenger's book, but if we were to treat Theo like a new signing, I think most fans would be pleased so far and have more patience. 4 goals and 4 assists from 9 starts if we're counting the Community Shield, so far this season. He's not looking out of sync with our attackers, not looking out of his depth or getting man handled...it's not bad so far.
22-10-2015, 07:12 PM
Globalgunner

Ok FYI. You're a nice chap. Let's put this one to bed. Walcott should smash one in against Bayern in 2 weeks and I will be eating humble pie by the carton. COYGs

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