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Aye. Let's hope he fixes Central Midfield and Central Defence, he has no time for sentiment and being buddies with some of our existing lot. If you are not good enough you are out, that's the kind of mentality and reputation he needs to set the minute he walks through the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Oh I agree, I would be a lot more comfortable with Unai Emery or even Carlo Ancelotti to steady the ship before we go for Arteta or Vieira or someone like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
I really can't understand the rush for Arteta and why they'd pass up on so many candidates eligible for the role with way more experience. They must know something.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Or it's an absolute determination never to see a manager gain so much control at the club again. Maybe the new role will be so limited the big, experienced names wouldn't go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Make no mistake, the new guy is going to be the coach, not the manager in the traditional sense.
It's not just Wenger leaving, it's a complete change in management structure. This is where Gazidis earns his money.
Or any other manager ever's. It's just generic stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Thats what i think as well. The new structure means we are hiring a head coach, someone who can train, motivate and organise a team. The big bosses are either unavailable or not interested in the job for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Full interview...Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
https://www.arsenal.com/news/feature...y-for-arsenal-
...think it was from 2014 or 2015?
Sounds like Mislintat's already taking care of it, and not waiting around for the new guy. I like this new way of doing things...Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
And if that's the way it's going I think we'll be better off. It will make it so much easier to get rid of non-performing managers and it will allow good coaches to get on with what they are best at without worrying about all the other stuff. It makes sense and gives the new guy a realistic chance of making a go of it. Trying to replace Wenger's role (Lord of all he surveys) would have been a non-starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Maybe not Mourinho's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We're assuming it's a rush, but I seem to remember us offering Arteta a final year's extension as a player when he could barely play, and I think he pretty much used that time to get his coaching badges at the club? Could be that this is a move that's actually a few years in the making?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Funny how for one of the most coveted jobs in world football, the only real candidate we have has managed 0 games at any level!
Spot on. Every new signing is now down to Mislintat spotting him and that Raul guy closing the deal. We're even heavily linked to a £35m CB today with no manager consulted. Gazidis is playing a dangerous game by appointing Arteta; the Kroenkes will axe him if it doesn't work out. But there's some noises that Mikel is actually a ruthless cunt and that is strangely comforting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Certainly used to be a top job when we were a top club. But we've dropped a level now and everyone knows it. Is it a step up or a step down to leave Juve for Arsenal? We aren't a CL club any more. Would Simeone leave the team that beat us in the EL to come here? Would any of the managers at the mancs clubs, Liverpool or even the spuds leave to come here? Wenger took us down a level and we're not the draw we used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
Rush is the wrong. I’ll rephrase. Why Arteta? Out of all the candidates, why him? My hope is that they’ve seen and heard good things about him. It can’t just be a case of wanting someone cheap or someone to control. At least I hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
We could've got Pochettino if we wanted. Wenger was the highest paid manager for UEFA cup qualification. We could double Allegri and Simeone's salary without breaking sweat. We could've got these guys. Either the club is being cheap or they really, really believe in Arteta, who has been rumoured to be the no.1 choice since February. There's evidence that Arteta's their main man even though he's the most unpredictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not so sure Wenger's 10 mill contract was on the table. Seems there will be 3 guys running the football side of things now, in different capacities. I suspect the money is being distributed accordingly. And it's not just the money. There's a big job to do at Arsenal, the sort of job that can make currently successful managers look like van Gaal should it go wrong. The media never tired of telling us what a genius he was when he arrived. Now he's a laughing stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
True -- money is the only way we could attract those managers and it's possible after bringing in Raul and Sven that a role with reduced responsibility wouldn't command Wenger's current salary. Just trying to find positives, there's a possibility that the guy who had the balls to sack Wenger and bring in Dortmund's elite scout and Barca's chief negotiations man also had a long term plan on what sort of first team coach would fit the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This is just a guess, but I think we're going to increasingly see the top clubs applying the same kind of logic to appointing first team coaches as they do to acquiring key players: you either go for one of the very best, established options on the market, in which case you're going to have to spend big; or, if you can't find exactly what you're looking for (or you're not prepared to stump up 15m/yr in wages and nearly a quarter of a billion in folding money) then you try and find the next big thing and make your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Those somewhere-in-between options - the established names who are good, but not the very, very best - don't seem to interest the top clubs where key players are concerned, so I reckon a lot of these clubs might now be starting to think 'why bother with them as first team coaches' either?
I think I generally agree with the candidates that we've been looking at so far - the only one that I don't understand why we haven't shown more interest in is Jardim?
Pretty much what NQ said, he will do as he is told and won’t come with any big demands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
He (Gazidis) has been sacking people left right and centre so he and the new guys certainly have some kind of vision. I like what they have done so far, but they need to get the coach / team manager appointment right.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Yeah I agree, he is in complete control of recruitment it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
P.S At least the transfer windows won’t be a mess like they have been the previous 10 years with us dragging out transfers all summer long due to Wenger’s principled stance on player valuations :lol:
We've got a Head of Recruitment who is widely referred to as 'Diamond Eye' - let the guy do his job and be glad he's doing it for us!Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Honestly, I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can come up with for us - the whole 'Dortmund 2.0' idea is far more appealing to me than someone like Enrique coming in and rinsing 200m on players that I've already been watching for the last 5-10 years...
Chatter that Arteta's assistant would be Xabi Alonso. :popcorn:
I don't think there are any even slightly viable links on the Alonso part, especially as he is still up for tax fraud as far as I'm aware.
However, still interesting.
SSN 'Breaking News'.
Apparently we've made contact in the last 24 hours with Vieira but sees it nothing but a token gesture. :sarcy:
Also, a Pep suckfest is due from 10:15pm tonight on Sky Sports Main Event on a MNF Special but presumably, he'll be asked about Arteta.
Maybe that is the plan longer term. Next season has probably been earmarked for transition and a top 4 finish in which case Arteta sort of makes sense. If he achieves his goals he stays, but at the very least things should all be in place for a bigger name if Arteta can't handle it. If he really is the next big thing then we end up in a win-win situation. And the other two don't have their legs chopped off by a prima-donna pitching up. I'm not against this appointment at all, the more I think about it. Only the most unreasonable fan (even more unreasonable than me) will refuse to give him a season to make a mark, provided we aren't languishing in 16th by mid season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Think any new manager needs at least 18 months (3 windows, if he has a say) to show some promising signs. Even Klopp needed that at Liverpool. I'm excited for a change, and as GP says I think the probability of success also depends on Sven and Raul delivering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm still going through the relief stage, which will hopefully be followed by excitement.
Betway have suspended betting on Arteta.....
If it is true, the most important thing is not about the new manager, it is the new way of doing things around here. Arteta may not be the guy that brings us back to being established at the top table, but he may be a key part of the team that lays the foundation. This is a wholesale change in a poisonous culture that concentrated power in one position and whilst that worked early when that person had ideas, when he became stale, he remained somewhat unassailable.
Those days are clearly gone and we have a wonderful opportunity to be more responsive and draw upon a wider pool of talent to make this once again a progressive club with new ideas and a renewed hope.
I don't want Arteta as manager ( I liked him as a player for us), but if he does become manager, he will get my 100% support. Any new manager would - except Rodgers.
What about Mark Hughes?
He kept the Saints up.
I'd go and support United.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikel’s Magic Hat
Understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
There’s nobody better, than Mikel Arteta
Le Grove has convinced me. Some good research and quotes on Arteta. I'm sold.
Artekkers :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
There's not enough worthwhile evidence to make any judgements about Arteta at this moment.
If it is all part of a big plan that's been in motion over the last season and a bit, then it almost makes perfect sense.
As some have said, giving him at least a year before delivering an EXPERT OPINION on his ability as a head coach seems the only rational option.
If he's not a success, then you'd think this apparently ruthless new team in charge of football matters would look for someone else next summer.
Personally, I'm in it for some decent footy and slivers of escapism now and then. So if Arteta makes Arsenal an exciting prospect to watch first of all, he'll be off to a good start. If this leads to any future reflected glory upon me and an opportunity to look down at other individuals idiotically following less-successful clubs, it will be a bonus.
I understand the thinking that it's an unnecessary risk. But lazy talk of it being 'cheap' or 'unambitious' is unimaginative. In fact, looking all the behind-the-scenes activity over the last year it seems to be one of the most ambitious things a supposedly stale and rigid club could have done.
As a shit pundit would say at half time, it's intriguing: a completely new undertaking and experience for the club and the fans. If it doesn't lead to a new dynasty and complete domination of the English game, then I'll just watch The Simpsons series 6-10 again. Or start supporting PSG.
Your mum gets wetter, with Mikel ArtetaQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG