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I thought you were off for Onanism?Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
https://tbrfootball.com/fabrizio-rom...lan-rice-deal/Quote:
Arsenal have tabled two bids for Rice so far and both of them have been rejected. Now, Romano has claimed that the Gunners, led by their sporting director Edu Gaspar, have ‘confirmed to West Ham’ that will make a new offer for their skipper soon.
Romano tweeted: “Arsenal have confirmed to West Ham their plan to submit one more bid for Declan Rice — after £75m plus £15m rejected.
“Understand Manchester City are also preparing their official bid — plan has not changed. Structure of deal/payment terms, key for West Ham.”
"It goes, on and on and oning" :dancingman:
This is becoming circular, you agree that the player is not worth what West Ham are asking but you think we should dance to their tune when it comes to structure of payments? And again I’ll remind you that City haven’t even made a bid yet, which again the fact that they are even mentioned is because West Ham has leaked their interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
You don’t like the way we conduct our transfers because what? West Ham and Shatkah want more money up front?. Well of course they would…
So we’ve established now that your reason for not liking our transfer dealings is not jumping when West Ham say jump because it creates drama and because you’re a little girl you can’t handle the drama.
Thanks for reaffirming what I already knew, I’m really not wishing to keep you from an evening with Porn Hub (by evening I mean a furious tug for five minutes over something illegal someone posted involving under age participants, and spending the rest of the evening crying into your pillow in shame)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22784...-transfer/amp/
Would probably be for the best if this is true. Really would like to see us give Balogun a chance......and shouldn't we get more money for Eddie anyway?
Jurrien Timber deal is getting closer.
45m apparently.
Can’t say Kroneke hasn’t backed Arteta. Massive net spend over the past few seasons considering we’ve barely recouped anything from the squad he inherited.
Listen I know this says Summer Transfers but this thread is about me making unnecessarily ad hominem comments towards other usersQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah don’t want this transfer. I reiterate that we need to sell defenders not bring them in. Holding needs to go…and then we have a four centre back spread of Gabriel, Saliba, White and Kiwior. Then we sell Zinchenko and have Tierney with Dog snogger as a back up, and maybe bring in a cheap(ish) right back who can play with Tomoyasu as back up
If he comes we need to arguably get rid of at least two defenders
Midfield is the priority, need to ditch this Rice Saga and bring in Caicedo….then get rid of Elneny, Lokonga and Xhaka
Then we need to look at bringing in an upgrade on Xhaka, and then sell off Vieira….and one of Balogun or Edward…shit can this Havertz nonsense and bring in a route one striker who can head it.
This was obvious from the get go, but Captain Black doesn’t see it
So whilst people bitch and moan needlessly about the structure of payments and add ons, unwittingly doing free PR for the selling club. The real problem is the wrong targets
As 'someone' wrote recently: This just sounds like a load of whiny bollocks to be honestQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
If transfers stress you out this much, maybe you need to touch grass a bit... ;)
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Originally Posted by Mac76
If you genuinely think saying we are pursuing the wrong players is equivalent to 21 functioning Brain Cells and you stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum like an eight year old girl with pigtails because the Dolly that her parents bought her has the wrong colour dress….well it’s all a matter of you being free to be wrong :d
Alright poppet?
Ornstein reporting City have offered 80+10 for Rice.
Better than our 75+15 in terms of guaranteed and, you'd think, clauses.
Havertz pics leaked, so that looks done.
Have a screenshot but can't post on this 19th century message board.
https://theathletic.com/4625184/2023...an-rice-offer/Quote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
:lol: just seen it, Citeh reportedly want to pull a Mudryk on us.
If this does come to fruition (the bid above being confirmed), it'll be fun to watch how our resident Spud rationalises this (I'd bet he keeps on compartmentalizing ftw ) ......ahhhh sun kissed days filled with a healthy dose of drama lie ahead :)
Yeah.....this forum does need a bit of a facelift.Quote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...offer-expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
“The bid is below West Ham’s valuation and early indications suggest that it will be rejected”
But I don’t get it, Man City are treble winners and obviously operate in a way with more ambition than us…why would they be so disrespectful to West Ham with a low ball offer that’s likely to be refused ?
Whilst calling you a little girl is amusing it doesn’t really get us anywhere. What is true is that you’re married to a narrative.
A fear that we can’t get the big transfers done. What I’ve tried to get across to you, is that big transfers in the past were about the quality of the player, they are far more indicative now of the leverage selling clubs have.
I don’t really have a dog in this hunt apart from being of the opinion that we should walk away simply because Rice isn’t that good of a player. For clubs like West Ham/Shatkah it’s not about treating them with respect it’s about wanting the cash now rather than structured over the length of the players contract.
But at the same time pretty much everything I’ve said has been borne out, West Ham want a bidding war and that’s why they leaked City’s offer days before they made one (and by your logic it took City an eternity to make such an offer)
Another question you need to ask yourself about the Mudryk transfer, if we felt he was worth it why didn’t we simply match Chelsea’s bid that was accepted in terms of cash up front now and less add ons?.
I’ll have to upgrade to version 2 of the difference engine this runs on <_< :pQuote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
There are image hosting sites, you know.
Youssef Fofana is our back up option in the event of failure to sign Rice apparently, have nothing to say about this because I don’t know enough about the player (basically anything) to offer an opinion, same age as Rice, was in the French World Cup squad (came on for Rabiot in the final).
Romeo Labia (yes I know it’s Lavia) is another player we are still interested in, I don’t think that signing is necessarily dependent on the Rice deal….probably about whether we can Xhaka, Lokonga etc off the books
Holding in talks for a loan move to Besiktas
Holy fuck, you know your career is fucked if you end up in Turkish football
:haha:
City’s bid has been rejected and a third offer from us is imminent. West Ham laughing all the way to the bank.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...y=63&s=93&d=93Quote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
I just don’t know what to think at this stageQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It just doesn’t make sense
How can City a serious club by all accounts act so disrespectfully by low balling West Ham like this
Is that a leak or a photoshop? I don’t suppose it really matters as it’s likely we will announce him soon enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Yeah the Havertz deal is done. Just a matter of when it’s announced now.
you're keeping an open mind then...
AbsolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I call him Donkey Boy because he literally owns Donkeys….looks more like a goblin than a Donkey
I don’t want him and don’t rate him, but 65 million? I fucking well hope I’m wrong
£65m doesn't get you a particularly good player these days.
EvidentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Havertz from what I can tell is a gamble in the hope that we’ve got on our hands another Salah or De Bruyne (in terms of a player who didn’t work out for Chelsea but was a superstar at their new club). I think it’s an incredibly high risk strategy given Havertz has been at Chelsea for three years. But more than anything I resent giving them money to rescue them from their own heedless stupidity. I think not all of their players were going to be prepared to go to Saudi Arabia, every premier league club had the chance to keep the foot on their throat and make it so they were stuck with players who either weren’t good enough or hate it at Chelsea and have downed tools
To screw over Chelsea, is more than just amusing…I see it as a moral duty.
But ultimately Arteta doesn’t prioritise Chelsea’s misery as much as I do, so let’s hope he’s right about this player
Bayern have submitted a bid for Harry Kane in the ballpark of what we’ve offered for Rice (for all those on heavy doses of copium yes I concede Bayern adds on for league title are a bit more realistic than ours but it’s all relative)
The rule of thumb is when you see about offers for players which aren’t immediately preceded by “have reached an agreement for signing” of, you probably can gleam from that, that the selling club is going to reject the offer.
Like the Ammers, Spurs will want hard cash for Kane and Bayern and pretty much every club other than feckless ones tend to make the deal a structured one. This is why in many ways, it’s actually harder to complete the transfer because in many ways the selling club has all the power (well if they choose to, there’s still too many players we’ve sold for virtually nothing and that’s my biggest gripe with our transfer policy…well that and transfer targets)
I’m a bit behind, but yes as i thought would be the case Bayern’s bid rejected
Another club not serious about getting too targets :haha:
I really hope Kane stays for another year then leaves for free.
Please Arsenal, pull the plug on Rice.
No idea where Havertz plays tbf.. what a bizzare buy.
It feels like Arteta's taking a big punt on this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
It wouldn't be the first time he's bought someone and it's not worked out - Taveres, Lokonga, Vieira - and as far as I'm concerned Zinchenko, although Arteta would no doubt disagree with me on that - but this one is more money and a high-profile player from a rival club which is desperate to sell
I doubt a single Arsenal fan is dancing in the streets over this signing - the pressure will be on for this to work
Fabio Vieira was the equivalent of me asking my brother to get me a darts board for Christmas when we were in lockdown, it was one of those impulse things (couldn’t think of anything and I do like to play darts in the pub every now and again even though I can’t play for shit so presumably was looking to get some practice in). He got me it, but it’s never been used and really this feels the same with Vieira. Like something that seemed a good idea at the time, but will invariably gather dust somewhere.
You can tell there’s some technical ability there but you need to have some degree of physicality in the premier league…and he looks anaemic and malnourished.
The best thing we can do is tempt Porto to buy him back
Taveres and Lokonga do look to be busts...I think Lokonga has something but he won't fulfil anything here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Zinchenko is a success by Arteta's measure. He wasn't the gamble, it was the system change and our best season justifies it. Completely understand and agree on Zinchenko, personally, though.
Viera has another season. Been very disappointing but hopefully he's more Grealish first season than...someone who didn't improve after their first season, I guess.
65m is an obscene number for a gamble though. Havertz has to be playing that MF role, beside Odegaard with Partey/A.N.Other behind.
Can't make any sense of it otherwise.
Arteta has said in the past 2 DMs isn't a system he wants to play and he moved away from it this season past. Maybe this is the final phase of the system transition??
Ornstein says we've bid £100million+£5 million add ons for Rice.
:wacko:
If he's going to fill the void left by Paddy then it's almost a free transfer. Otherwise it's the biggest waste of money since the last guy who bought an electric car. Nothing in between.
As much as I want Rice, If West Ham don’t accept that then it’s time to walk away.
If West Ham need the cash that much, that motivates me more to say we shouldn’t give it to them. And unlike Chelsea I don’t even dislike the Ammers
Rejected due to payment terms. Can you fucking believe it. I would move on, he isn't worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Sullivan is worse than that cunt Levi :rolleyes:
we def need to walk away now - time for Plan B, as per January, where we switch from buying one overpriced player to three very useful VFM signings