Summer Transfers 2025 Missed Opportunities and Regrets

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Originally Posted by Mac76

No, it's just now and again, but there are times when you're just so blindingly contradictory it's hard to not just simply point it out

it undermines everything else you say



so why have a go at someone else for doing the same thing?

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I can assure it’s not now and again, if it was I would have far less of a problem with it.

And it’s less about what you’re doing than the way you do it. And yes I admit I’m guilty of it at times.

But take yesterday, of course I’ve raged against Arteta in the past…some of it more justified than others. But maybe in these posts that you regard as TLDR, what you didn’t read is where I’ve previously stated that KSE whilst it can be generous with money and would like us to win things, won’t go all out in order to turn winning things into a reality.

You spoke about how Arteta has prioritised a certain type of player over another, again nothing that I haven’t said myself

But at the risk of repeating myself, two things can be true at once. I stated I believe the reason the Gyokeres deal is or at least has been stuck in the mud is because of Sporting’s insistence on more cash up front, cash I think we’d rather use on other players. And maybe that if KSE weren’t so risk adverse, we’d take the hit from these up front payments and still have the money to reinforce elsewhere.

And this is consistent with my argument that because I felt we didn’t need a defender (an argument you clearly disagree with) that money was being spent on a position we didn’t need. I didn’t feel so strongly about Madueke because I think we are buying a player in a position we do need.

Where as your automatic belief, is “bollocks that’s totally different from what you’ve argued before (I don’t think it is) you’re just trying to make yourself look more reasonable compared to other people on here”


Now I ask you, in the years we’ve been pointlessly bickering….have I ever placed a high premium on appearing reasonable if I thought I was right about something. It just so happens that IBK has the same opinion as me, so it was easier to let him argue with you than doing it myself.

But past this point I can only say believe what you like because you will anyway, just as I’ll believe what I like about your motivations etc

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

That the deal was easier to complete doesn’t suggest that it was prioritised. In that it’s clear we aren’t working on one transfer at a time. You are basically saying if Madueke’s signing was held up until we signed a striker, we would have had far less agitation from the fan base and whilst I don’t disagree with that, I think that says far more about the fan base.

I think long ago it was decided what the club needed in terms of players in, players out etc. Gyokeres it seems like we kept him on the back burner till a few weeks ago because although I’m sure the position was a priority, he individually wasn’t as he was second choice to Sesko.

We didn’t prioritise a backup goalkeeper over Zubimendi, it was just an easier deal to complete because we have a good relationship with Chelsea. Now we can argue all day about whether we should have a good relationship with Chelsea, and as I absolutely despise that club you probably wouldn’t find me unsympathetic.

But additional to that Madueke and Kepa are players that Chelsea were willing to sell to keep up the pretence that they play by the rules, Zubimendi was a player Real Sociedad wanted to keep, same with Sporting Lisbon and Gyokeres. Where I think we do go wrong, is that I think we place far too high value on getting agreement with the player before going to the club, somehow believing that this gives us leverage over the club and it doesn’t.

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This. It's ludicrous that some Gooners are now criticising the order in which transfers are completed. And equally ludicrous to suggest that because the Madueke deal got done quickly, this is evidence that it was prioritised over a striker.

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Originally Posted by IBK

This. It's ludicrous that some Gooners are now criticising the order in which transfers are completed. And equally ludicrous to suggest that because the Madueke deal got done quickly, this is evidence that it was prioritised over a striker.

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Well there's a perfectly sound argument to say they prioritised Madueke, namely because they paid the full asking price - whereas with Gyokeres we're haggling over as little as £2.5m if some reports are to be believed.

So why not just pay what Sporting asked when we were happy to do so with Chelsea? It's reported that Chelsea really need to sell players or some of their new signings won't be eligible for the CL, so why didn't we even attempt to use that as leverage?

Unless you can answer that question then you have to accept some people find it odd / frustrating / a sign of incompetence or warped priorities - take your pick

Well the sticking point with Gyokeres is not the transfer fee itself but the structure of payments and of bonus clauses. It’s not unreasonable to suggest that a club like Chelsea that only cares about maintaining the facade that it’s complying with FSR/FFP is going to be less of a stickler over the structuring of a deal than Sporting Lisbon who actually came very near the financial abyss fifteen years ago, and is more minded to be careful about its finances.

And yes I did just look that up about Sporting, although I do remember there was an issue with players not getting paid wages or bonuses over missing out on champions league football (how long ago that was I couldn’t say).

I think if the argument was the club is less efficient than it could be at getting the more complicated deals over the line that would be an argument with merit, but given we’ve been chasing Sesko since the start of June and then turned to Gyokeres after i don’t think we prioritised a winger over a striker, I just think we saw an easier deal to complete and went for it

Yes it is around add-ons but one of the reported sticking points was around our needing to pay them an extra £2.5m if he played in 20 games - which we thought was too easy to achieve...

FFS who cares just 'kin agree Arsenal damn it

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Well the sticking point with Gyokeres is not the transfer fee itself but the structure of payments and of bonus clauses. It’s not unreasonable to suggest that a club like Chelsea that only cares about maintaining the facade that it’s complying with FSR/FFP is going to be less of a stickler over the structuring of a deal than Sporting Lisbon who actually came very near the financial abyss fifteen years ago, and is more minded to be careful about its finances.

And yes I did just look that up about Sporting, although I do remember there was an issue with players not getting paid wages or bonuses over missing out on champions league football (how long ago that was I couldn’t say).

I think if the argument was the club is less efficient than it could be at getting the more complicated deals over the line that would be an argument with merit, but given we’ve been chasing Sesko since the start of June and then turned to Gyokeres after i don’t think we prioritised a winger over a striker, I just think we saw an easier deal to complete and went for it

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. It appears clear that our valuation re Madueke was met, but that Sporting have not agreed our valuation re Gyokores. This is for me the straightforward reason why one deal has been done, and not the other. It makes more sense than your argument that Madueke was prioritised over a striker.

Ornstein the Oracle is saying Gyokeres is basically done and imminent.

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Originally Posted by Shaqiri Is Boss

Ornstein the Oracle is saying Gyokeres is basically done and imminent.

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The sooner the better, he might even still be able to take some part in the tour.

Apparently Mosquera just jetted off to join them.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

The sooner the better, he might even still be able to take some part in the tour.

Apparently Mosquera just jetted off to join them.

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I read something on Twitter claiming that the reason for the delay with Mosquera was something discovered in the medical (could of course be complete bollocks)

Maybe he’s got this Vestigial being in his chest, like Quato from Total Recall

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I read something on Twitter claiming that the reason for the delay with Mosquera was something discovered in the medical (could of course be complete bollocks)

Maybe he’s got this Vestigial being in his chest, like Quato from Total Recall

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