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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

The point isn’t that he didn’t buy a striker in the summer. It’s that he’s had nine transfer windows and the nearest he came to a striker was Jesus. Havertz was signed to replace Xhaka, so we only have him up front by accident rather than design.

I hear that he decided to wait because he couldn’t get Sesko, but come on what other area of the pitch does he show this Goldilocks mentality. By the summer of 2022 we lost two strikers Laca and Auba, and fine neither were performing great. But we spent thirty million on Vieira and thirty million on Zinchenko when arguably we needed neither

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Don't get me wrong. It's obvious that Arteta has failed to invest in a striker that will get us to where we want to get to - repeatedly. But it's also obvious (chasing Vlahovic; Sesko up front; going all out to try for Mudryk; interest in Nico Williams as wingers) that the manager realises we need more attacking strength. What we don't know is the extent to which we have failed to do so lies with the club not being willing/able to release the funds. Edu's departure might be symptomatic of this also. Of all the options that might have been possible in the Summer, being sniffy about Ivan Tony is a big mistake.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Saw a comment that said his biggest mistake was blowing the budget on Havertz. As a result of this, we now have an issue in midfield and also up front because Havertz excels in neither position. 2 positions overlooked and ruined by Arteta with one bad roll of the dice.

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But we weren't saying that about Havertz second half of last season? My view is that if anything, £105M for Rice emptied the coffers. While I'm not a fan of Merino, and Vieira was a bust (it happens) - I can at least see the thinking behind all 3 signings (Havertz; Vieira and Merino). Not so much the players we have signed for me, but the lack of investment in wingers/striker.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I guess your self-awareness is commendable.

It doesn't preclude you from calling anyone else arrogant, I was just laughing as it was a bit "pot calling the kettle black".
And if it's one of your reasons why you dislike him - which is reasonable, as it's generally regarded as an undesirable trait - I wonder why you seem to revel in your own.

Personally I don't really care whether Arteta is likeable - I honestly don't have much opinion about that. I just care about results.

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I revel in it on here because I’m talking with a bunch of middle aged guys, for who let’s be fair to some extent our sense of certainty about issues outweighs our competence.

I’m not writing an academic case study on Arteta where I’d need to be drawing on a much more specific evidence base. I am drawing conclusions (which I’m broadly confident about) from what I’ve seen of him in both that benighted documentary and press conferences and pre and post match interviews for the last few years.

It’s not really relevant whether he’s likeable or not, that was me replying to KSE about him saying I really wanted him to be the one we succeeded under. I’m indifferent, it’s because I don’t like Arteta that I’m in no way invested in us succeeding under him In particular the way I was twenty years ago under Wenger (a man I did and do like despite how annoyed he was making me towards the end)

Basically when Emery left I had no malice towards him at all, even when he did the double over us for Villa. I like the guy.

When Arteta goes I don’t wish him success elsewhere, I hope he fails wherever he goes….because he’s a prick and he deserves to fail

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

because he’s a prick

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Citation needed :lol:

I just find your depth of feeling about him a bit bizarre.
I felt like that about Mourinho and recognised it was a bit unhealthy. Most managers these days I can't really get excised about either way.

Arteta always felt like a punt. He's got no real pedigree at this level. But he deserves some credit for making us contenders. Yes, he's spent big but we've seen others do that to very little effect. And in "All or Nothing" I was quite impressed that there seemed to be some ambition and strategy. I don't think he's the man to get us over the line to win the biggest trophies but I don't particularly bear him any malice and I'm a little bemused at anyone who does.

I think my basis for believing Mourinho to be a despicable cunt was a bit more solid than yours about Arteta.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Citation needed :lol:

I just find your depth of feeling about him a bit bizarre.
I felt like that about Mourinho and recognised it was a bit unhealthy. Most managers these days I can't really get excised about either way.

Arteta always felt like a punt. He's got no real pedigree at this level. But he deserves some credit for making us contenders. Yes, he's spent big but we've seen others do that to very little effect. And in "All or Nothing" I was quite impressed that there seemed to be some ambition and strategy. I don't think he's the man to get us over the line to win the biggest trophies but I don't particularly bear him any malice and I'm a little bemused at anyone who does.

I think my basis for believing Mourinho to be a despicable cunt was a bit more solid than yours about Arteta.

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Mourinho is a narcissist and I’m not particularly fond of them

With Arteta I know people like him, the kind of person who makes Sly digs at other people who won’t ever take responsibility and will bollock others for his own fuck ups.

And at least Mourinho could be witty at times, like him or not he does have charisma. Arteta is dull, zero personality….and that Guardiola like propensity to be offhand with people (with Guardiola it’s worse because he has that shit eating grin when he does so).

I’ve no time for people like that. Whilst Haaland no doubt regrets saying it. I think Arteta probably should stay humble


As for contention that your dislike of Mourinho has more basis, imagine you have a boss that gets you to do something that you know won’t work and then the same guy chews you out when it doesn’t work. Which is what Arteta did numerous times, would you be positively predisposed to that person

I have irrational hatred towards managers of many clubs that are our rivals - particularly where there is perceived injustice in games. Top of my list ATM is Eddie Howe, because I think his players are dirty, cheating pricks by instruction. I also have an issue with Hürzeler for the same reason - but mostly because of the points we've dropped to them, and I could have smacked Iraola in his fat gloating face after we lost to them. I will always despise SAF and Mourinho (the latter exacerbated by his disrespect for AW).

Hated Emery last season for (in my mind) losing us title.

I could never hate any Arsenal manager, though, and am a bit bemused by those who hate Arteta - who has undountedly done lots for our club; clearly cares about it and is one of our own.

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Originally Posted by IBK

I have irrational hatred towards managers of many clubs that are our rivals - particularly where there is perceived injustice in games. Top of my list ATM is Eddie Howe, because I think his players are dirty, cheating pricks by instruction. I also have an issue with Hürzeler for the same reason - but mostly because of the points we've dropped to them, and I could have smacked Iraola in his fat gloating face after we lost to them. I will always despise SAF and Mourinho (the latter exacerbated by his disrespect for AW).

Hated Emery last season for (in my mind) losing us title.

I could never hate any Arsenal manager, though, and am a bit bemused by those who hate Arteta - who has undountedly done lots for our club; clearly cares about it and is one of our own.

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I’m not even sure I hate Arteta (at times I feel hatred towards him) but I definitely feel zero gratitude towards him. He was brought in as a head coach and that’s what he should have stayed.

I think there’s a tendency towards unwarranted superiority amongst Iberians that gets my back up. Spain was a borderline failed state after Franco died, and it’s only because it’s been sucking at the teet of the EU for 40 years that it’s not in that state now. It’s a country that can’t have a honest national conversation over Franco and the extent of the butchery and cruelty that happened under him….in some circles in Spain he’s still treated like a national hero even though he drove the economy into the dirt and had countless people tortured and murdered.

This is a country that’s both economically and culturally fractured. Whatever we moan about the uk, I don’t think any government would have failed so utterly as the local and national authorities did with the floods in Valencia recently


So what’s with the smug superiority

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I’m not even sure I hate Arteta (at times I feel hatred towards him) but I definitely feel zero gratitude towards him. He was brought in as a head coach and that’s what he should have stayed.

I think there’s a tendency towards unwarranted superiority amongst Iberians that gets my back up. Spain was a borderline failed state after Franco died, and it’s only because it’s been sucking at the teet of the EU for 40 years that it’s not in that state now. It’s a country that can’t have a honest national conversation over Franco and the extent of the butchery and cruelty that happened under him….in some circles in Spain he’s still treated like a national hero even though he drove the economy into the dirt and had countless people tortured and murdered.

This is a country that’s both economically and culturally fractured. Whatever we moan about the uk, I don’t think any government would have failed so utterly as the local and national authorities did with the floods in Valencia recently


So what’s with the smug superiority

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Maybe the same reason as ours - once had a large empire? Also, I'm not sure there is any European country - least of all the UK - that has not indulged in butchery and cruelty at some sage in history?

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Originally Posted by IBK

Maybe the same reason as ours - once had a large empire? Also, I'm not sure there is any European country - least of all the UK - that has not indulged in butchery and cruelty at some sage in history?

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We didn’t have a military dictator who killed probably millions of his own people over a forty year period, and if we did we wouldn’t be in a massive state of denial about it. You don’t have monuments to Hitler in Berlin or Mussolini in Rome and probably they are directly responsible for the deaths of far fewer of their own people than Franco is for his.