Transfer News, Rumours and Bollocks Thread

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Originally Posted by LDG

Simple fact is, not ALL of this is down to Wenger. The board are just as culpable, and I have a feeling our new owner is even more so.

You can blame Wenger for buying trash like Squillacci and Chamakh, but don't forget he also bought Vermaelen and Nasri and Cesc etc etc. He makes some errors, and the fact that he didn't sure up CB when TV5 was out, and Squid was stinking the place out is unforgivable....as was the Almunia situation.

His tactics have left a lot to be desired. Putting faith in youth in big games, and naively / stubbornly / unprofessionally sticking to his guns when it's clear to all what needs to be done in certain situations.

It was his fault for the loss of mental strength within the side, and his fault for not demanding / seeking much needed back up at the crunch time last season.

All that said. There are CLEARLY financial issues here. I firmly believe that SOME of what Wenger is doing, is to serve the club long term, and sacrificing some of his integrity for the sake of the clubs future.

I garuntee that the next manager will be a good one, and that they'll have funds, and that they will have NONE of the pressure AW has had throughout the current period of debt and financial prudence. And I think the debt will be gone when the new manager takes over.

Some corners of the fanbase will point and say "see, Wenger lost the plot and was shit". But anyone with common sense, or respect for a CLEARLY decent manager, will know that he has sacrificed his best years (to a degree, I add) for the sake of the club. I'm still convinced he's a winner, and someone who is passionate about his team. He has done things wrong, but he's also done a lot right.

There is a middle ground.

But it is quite inexcusable the way we collapsed last year, as the majority of that was down to our boss.

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and another thing"! the longer we leave it into the window to buy the less able to get in replacements the other teams are, which will make them less likely to accept any offers/push the price up.

This summer so far? Bag O'shite

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Wenger - We can cope without signing

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“I would not see it as a missed opportunity,” said Wenger.

“I focus on my squad and I feel we have 22, 23 outfield players who can cope with what we need.

“Vermaelen looks to be making good progress, Squillaci is back available, so that was the only position we were short, at centre-backs.

“If I don't make any signings it is because I have not identified a special player who could strengthen our squad at the moment.”

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ithout-signing

WTF, summer started of saying we would be very active in the market and now it comes to this??? WTF WTF WTF!!! am gna sit under my desk at work and start rocking back and forth!

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Originally Posted by Ironing

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ithout-signing

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Nice try.

About time fans broke out the "I've shown you my money let's see you spend it!" banners :sulk: *



* yes need to think of something more punchy anyone here write headlines for The Sun?

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Originally Posted by Syn

Nice try.

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Ooooh. The little tinker.

To think I got sucked in.

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Originally Posted by Ironing

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ithout-signing

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He even dares to mention Squilacci's name

:haha:

I hope he doesn't sign anyone and we crash and burn. It's the only way we're going to get shot of him.

Hopefully by January if it all goes the way I think it's gonna go.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Nice try.

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Damn!

Still applies though.

You too huh??

:(

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Originally Posted by Ironing

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ithout-signing

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Didn't have you down as a WUM, article from January :rolleyes:

haha i can get back out from under my desk now! tbh it worked cos it was downright possible this happening!!!

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Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny

WTF, summer started of saying we would be very active in the market and now it comes to this??? WTF WTF WTF!!! am gna sit under my desk at work and start rocking back and forth!

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Well, technically speaking, he is right, we are actively selling, just that we are not buying.............. we are still actively losing players.

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Originally Posted by Ironing

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ithout-signing

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You have got away with it if the date never said Jan 2011

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Originally Posted by LDG

Simple fact is, not ALL of this is down to Wenger. The board are just as culpable, and I have a feeling our new owner is even more so.

You can blame Wenger for buying trash like Squillacci and Chamakh, but don't forget he also bought Vermaelen and Nasri and Cesc etc etc. He makes some errors, and the fact that he didn't sure up CB when TV5 was out, and Squid was stinking the place out is unforgivable....as was the Almunia situation.

His tactics have left a lot to be desired. Putting faith in youth in big games, and naively / stubbornly / unprofessionally sticking to his guns when it's clear to all what needs to be done in certain situations.

It was his fault for the loss of mental strength within the side, and his fault for not demanding / seeking much needed back up at the crunch time last season.

All that said. There are CLEARLY financial issues here. I firmly believe that SOME of what Wenger is doing, is to serve the club long term, and sacrificing some of his integrity for the sake of the clubs future.

I garuntee that the next manager will be a good one, and that they'll have funds, and that they will have NONE of the pressure AW has had throughout the current period of debt and financial prudence. And I think the debt will be gone when the new manager takes over.

Some corners of the fanbase will point and say "see, Wenger lost the plot and was shit". But anyone with common sense, or respect for a CLEARLY decent manager, will know that he has sacrificed his best years (to a degree, I add) for the sake of the club. I'm still convinced he's a winner, and someone who is passionate about his team. He has done things wrong, but he's also done a lot right.

There is a middle ground.

But it is quite inexcusable the way we collapsed last year, as the majority of that was down to our boss.

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Fuck me and all. So now he's a fucking martyr. ***** please.

The dude has a good track record of doing some weird and dumb stuff. Like not playing arshavin in the cup to prove that the other players could win without him (funny enough they lost). I know of no other case where a manager has done something so silly in a major stage of a cup competition.

This is what i mean. The dude makes daft decisions and people start scrambling for excuses instead of seeing what the fuck is right in front of them. Everything the dude has been saying and doing + your financials shows clearly that AW is the one responsible for where your team finds itself.

The same fucking thing happened when you sold Toure & ade to city. 1st it was all "he has to spend now cos the money is there" and when he didn't people started making dumbass excuses for him about money not being there. Financials came out a few weeks later and guess, money wasn't the issue. Your next set of financials are due soon enough and as sure as fuck people will look at them and still say there is no money.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Well that doesn't make a lot of sense, you want him sacked yet you defend him at almost every opportunity.

You don't really defend a manager you want sacked...for the simple reason that the fact you want him out by definition means you think he's doing a bad job and is to blame for the troubles.

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So having an Opionin on someone you like means your defending them. ust because you hate the man don't mean anyone who says something positive is defending him.

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

Fuck me and all. So now he's a fucking martyr. ***** please.

The dude has a good track record of doing some weird and dumb stuff. Like not playing arshavin in the cup to prove that the other players could win without him (funny enough they lost). I know of no other case where a manager has done something so silly in a major stage of a cup competition.

This is what i mean. The dude makes daft decisions and people start scrambling for excuses instead of seeing what the fuck is right in front of them. Everything the dude has been saying and doing + your financials shows clearly that AW is the one responsible for where your team finds itself.

The same fucking thing happened when you sold Toure & ade to city. 1st it was all "he has to spend now cos the money is there" and when he didn't people started making dumbass excuses for him about money not being there. Financials came out a few weeks later and guess, money wasn't the issue. Your next set of financials are due soon enough and as sure as fuck people will look at them and still say there is no money.

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You say This shit like you know what goes on in the Arsenal boardroom. Looks can be deceiving you know.

At one time we compared Wenger with Ferguson

Today the coparison is not even close

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

Fuck me and all. So now he's a fucking martyr. ***** please.

The dude has a good track record of doing some weird and dumb stuff. Like not playing arshavin in the cup to prove that the other players could win without him (funny enough they lost). I know of no other case where a manager has done something so silly in a major stage of a cup competition.

This is what i mean. The dude makes daft decisions and people start scrambling for excuses instead of seeing what the fuck is right in front of them. Everything the dude has been saying and doing + your financials shows clearly that AW is the one responsible for where your team finds itself.

The same fucking thing happened when you sold Toure & ade to city. 1st it was all "he has to spend now cos the money is there" and when he didn't people started making dumbass excuses for him about money not being there. Financials came out a few weeks later and guess, money wasn't the issue. Your next set of financials are due soon enough and as sure as fuck people will look at them and still say there is no money.

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Go back and read it again. I said clearly he's made real errors.

I didn't say money wasn't there.

It's whether he's allowed to spend it.

And are you able to tell me exactly what our board want to spend money on???

No??

Oh.

Thanks anyway.

He's allowed to spend it.

/discussion

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Oh right. He any good?

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Twente star Bryan Ruiz has revealed that Fulham have made a move for him and he would be keen to switch to Craven Cottage.

The highly-rated Costa Rican had been strongly linked with Tottenham and Harry Redknapp admitted his interest, although added he was not a top priority.

However, Ruiz has now revealed that a deal with Fulham could be on the cards.

Ruiz told De Telegraaf: "Fulham is a serious option for me.

"That is also a Premier League side and it is a fantastic league.

"Fulham already contacted my agent. If Fulham does become serious, we will definitely talk."

Ruiz has been linked with a number of clubs this summer, but he insists he is not worried about his future.

"It makes no sense to worry, because I can't do anything about it," he said.

"Of course I want a step forward, but believe me I don't have any problems for a longer stay at FC Twente. FC Twente is a fantastic club."

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11915_7109066,00.html

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Originally Posted by LDG

Go back and read it again. I said clearly he's made real errors.

I didn't say money wasn't there.

It's whether he's allowed to spend it.

And are you able to tell me exactly what our board want to spend money on???

No??

Oh.

Thanks anyway.

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What the actual fuck?

So now he's not allowed to spend the money. Funny that as they didn't mind him spunking a whole load of money on some kid from league one. Weird shit where they object to him signing experienced pros but don't mind him going crazy with the chequebook when it comes to inexperienced kids from the lower leagues.

In what way does that make any kind of fucking sense.

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Originally Posted by Boss

He's allowed to spend it.

/discussion

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Oh he certainly is now.

/thanks

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

What the actual fuck?

So now he's not allowed to spend the money. Funny that as they didn't mind him spunking a whole load of money on some kid from league one. Weird shit where they object to him signing experienced pros but don't mind him going crazy with the chequebook when it comes to inexperienced kids from the lower leagues.

In what way does that make any kind of fucking sense.

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Pretty much.

It's not the boards fault Wenger has p*ssed money up the wall on kids and nobodies who haven't worked out. It's not their fault he thinks the squad should all be paid similar amounts either, or that these super quality players he refers to happen to be super sh*t.

The board is certainly to blame for a lot of things, but not for Wenger's incompetence in the transfer market or indeed tactically.

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

What the actual fuck?

So now he's not allowed to spend the money. Funny that as they didn't mind him spunking a whole load of money on some kid from league one. Weird shit where they object to him signing experienced pros but don't mind him going crazy with the chequebook when it comes to inexperienced kids from the lower leagues.

In what way does that make any kind of fucking sense.

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Did I say anything about the here and now??

It's fucking OBVIOUS we have money to spend. And I believe it will be spent. Whether he spends it right is on his neck, and his alone.

If you read anything I say on these boards, you'll know I have castigated the stubborn cunt more than enough times.

But I'm not laying all the blame at his door, because it is damn fucking obvious that he does not have final say on everything. Not a chance in hell he does.

You're not reading a thing I've said.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Go back and read it again. I said clearly he's made real errors.

I didn't say money wasn't there.

It's whether he's allowed to spend it.

And are you able to tell me exactly what our board want to spend money on???

No??

Oh.

Thanks anyway.

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:bow: LDG

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It's not the boards fault Wenger has p*ssed money up the wall on kids and nobodies who haven't worked out. It's not their fault he thinks the squad should all be paid similar amounts either, or that these super quality players he refers to happen to be super sh*t.

The board is certainly to blame for a lot of things, but not for Wenger's incompetence in the transfer market or indeed tactically.

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Are they not the idiots who give him the money to spend, do you think he never told PHW and Ivan that he was going to buy These kids cause they all know.

They are as much to blame for him buying kids. If they were not happy with it why have they not challenged him or sacked him.

Remember that Wenger is a man who turned down Real Madrid because he didn't want the lack of power he'd have there.

Remember that Wenger is a man who vetted his own boss.

He's probably the most powerful (in terms of lack of restrictions) manager in England.

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Originally Posted by Boss

Remember that Wenger is a man who turned down Real Madrid because he didn't want the lack of power he'd have there.

Remember that Wenger is a man who vetted his own boss.

He's probably the most powerful (in terms of lack of restrictions) manager in England.

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TBF even the best of managers struffle at madrid look at old Jose, so don't blame AW for not wanting to go there tbh.

Agree he may have a bit much power over here but nothing the board can't handle.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Did I say anything about the here and now??

It's fucking OBVIOUS we have money to spend. And I believe it will be spent. Whether he spends it right is on his neck, and his alone.

If you read anything I say on these boards, you'll know I have castigated the stubborn cunt more than enough times.

But I'm not laying all the blame at his door, because it is damn fucking obvious that he does not have final say on everything. Not a chance in hell he does.

You're not reading a thing I've said.

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What exactly do you mean by the bit in bold? I'm talking about player recruitment and nothing else.

Are you saying the board tells AW who to sign or not sign?

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

What exactly do you mean by the bit in bold? I'm talking about player recruitment and nothing else.

Are you saying the board tells AW who to sign or not sign?

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Of course they would have an input. Wenger doesn't sign the cheques, does he?

It seems pretty obvious to me, and to all and sundry that the clubs focus from board level is to secure ECL, spend little (they'll say wisely, but that's clearly not true), pay off the debt in big lumps, and leave Wenger to do what he does.

Now. Wenger is on board with this. But he doesn't bloody have the final say in what we spend. He gets a budget, and whether he chooses to spend that on signings, or wage hikes or anything on the pitch is his decision. He has bollocksed it up in a lot of ways....but then again, he was the one who bought Nasri, boughts Cesc, bought Vieira etc etc etc....they're pretty decent players IIRC.

So. What are we left with?? A board who has final say over what is spent. A set agenda (regardless of what we have in the bank), with a future debt-free period when a new manager will come in and have lots of fluffy lovely wonga to spend.

I'm saying that Wenger has sacrificed quite a bit. I mean, he's sucking all this shit up is he not, regardless of the good things he's done?? He'll know he deserves it for some of the tinkering, I have no doubt. So is it because he's selfish and arrogant and lost the plot??? Or is it because we're a well run business, where he plays his part, and will forsake some credibility to meet those demands??

Like I said. There's a middle ground. And some people don't seem to see that.

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

What exactly do you mean by the bit in bold? I'm talking about player recruitment and nothing else.

Are you saying the board tells AW who to sign or not sign?

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See my last post. #5079

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Originally Posted by LDG

It seems pretty obvious to me, and to all and sundry that the clubs focus from board level is to secure ECL, spend little (they'll say wisely, but that's clearly not true), pay off the debt in big lumps, and leave Wenger to do what he does. Now. Wenger is on board with this. But he doesn't bloody have the final say in what we spend. He gets a budget, and whether he chooses to spend that on signings, or wage hikes or anything on the pitch is his decision. He has bollocksed it up in a lot of ways....but then again, he was the one who bought Nasri, boughts Cesc, bought Vieira etc etc etc....they're pretty decent players IIRC.

So. What are we left with?? A board who has final say over what is spent. A set agenda (regardless of what we have in the bank), with a future debt-free period when a new manager will come in and have lots of fluffy lovely wonga to spend.

I'm saying that Wenger has sacrificed quite a bit. I mean, he's sucking all this shit up is he not, regardless of the good things he's done?? He'll know he deserves it for some of the tinkering, I have no doubt. So is it because he's selfish and arrogant and lost the plot??? Or is it because we're a well run business, where he plays his part, and will forsake some credibility to meet those demands??

Like I said. There's a middle ground. And some people don't seem to see that.

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Since when was Sense allowed in this thread

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Originally Posted by LDG

It seems pretty obvious to me, and to all and sundry that the clubs focus from board level is to secure ECL, spend little (they'll say wisely, but that's clearly not true), pay off the debt in big lumps, and leave Wenger to do what he does.

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Where did you get that from? My understanding is our stadium debt repayments are the same every year and we don't over pay (the only loan we did settle early was for the Highbury flats).

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Where did you get that from? My understanding is our stadium debt repayments are the same every year and we don't over pay (the only loan we did settle early was for the Highbury flats).

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My understanding of big lumps is 25million a year....but there we go!

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1206: Football-manchester united are to sell off a significant stake in the club in singapore to partly pay off their £515million debts, bbc sports editor david bond reports. It is understood the club have now lodged a listing application with the singapore stock exchange and could float by november.

1201: Football- the liverpool echo reports that liverpool striker david ngog is close to a £4m move to bolton. The deal is not linked to the reds' attempts to sign defender gary cahill from the reebok

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bbc

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Originally Posted by LDG

It seems pretty obvious to me, and to all and sundry that the clubs focus from board level is to secure ECL, spend little (they'll say wisely, but that's clearly not true), pay off the debt in big lumps, and leave Wenger to do what he does.

Now. Wenger is on board with this. But he doesn't bloody have the final say in what we spend. He gets a budget, and whether he chooses to spend that on signings, or wage hikes or anything on the pitch is his decision. He has bollocksed it up in a lot of ways....but then again, he was the one who bought Nasri, boughts Cesc, bought Vieira etc etc etc....they're pretty decent players IIRC.

So. What are we left with?? A board who has final say over what is spent. A set agenda (regardless of what we have in the bank), with a future debt-free period when a new manager will come in and have lots of fluffy lovely wonga to spend.

I'm saying that Wenger has sacrificed quite a bit. I mean, he's sucking all this shit up is he not, regardless of the good things he's done?? He'll know he deserves it for some of the tinkering, I have no doubt. So is it because he's selfish and arrogant and lost the plot??? Or is it because we're a well run business, where he plays his part, and will forsake some credibility to meet those demands??

Like I said. There's a middle ground. And some people don't seem to see that.

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The bit in bold is the crucial thing here. He gets a budget just like SAF, King Kenny etc. The difference is that he spends it on kids and has no problems paying a shitload for kids but seems to be against paying similar amounts for experienced PL players. This is his own doing and no one else's.

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Originally Posted by LDG

My understanding of big lumps is 25million a year....but there we go!

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Well yeah but the Cesc and Nasri money is new money and wont be used to pay down the debt.

So he has at least £50m to spend.

If only he could find the right players. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by LDG

My understanding of big lumps is 25million a year....but there we go!

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Yes and you were able to meet those repayments while at highbury which was a much smaller stadium and didn't bring in anywhere as much money as the emirates does.

It's like me making a salary of £15,000 a year and paying rent of £400 a month. I then get a job paying £25,000 a year and moan to my friend that i dont have any money cos my rent is too high even though i'm still living in the same £400 a month flat. WTF? Clearly the rent is not the reason i don't have any money cos my wages has gone up by 66% while my rent has stayed the same.