Match Reaction v Man Utd

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

You're making it seem like there is a patent rationality for what he does, I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not quibbling over the definition of logic, I'm saying his logic, isn't logic.

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Agreed. I am saying that he doesn't do stuff without thinking (probably too much) about it. If it's over the decision to rest Van Persie, he might not even ask the player, but he'll look at his GPS tracking toy stats and decide. As expected, in his post-match interview, he believed that Oxlade "had started to fatigue". If you believe that, you believe taking him off for a top attacking talent (which he thinks Arshavin is) is the right thing to do. Logic can be totally separate from being right. Your logic could be flawless and you could be making the wrong choices every time. We all agree that it's not sensible to stick to pre-conceived notions about players and have pre-meditated tactics.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Agreed. I am saying that he doesn't do stuff without thinking (probably too much) about it. If it's over the decision to rest Van Persie, he might not even ask the player, but he'll look at his GPS tracking toy stats and decide. As expected, in his post-match interview, he believed that Oxlade "had started to fatigue". If you believe that, you believe taking him off for a top attacking talent (which he thinks Arshavin is) is the right thing to do. Logic can be totally separate from being right. Your logic could be flawless and you could be making the wrong choices every time. We all agree that it's not sensible to stick to pre-conceived notions about players and have pre-meditated tactics.

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Unfortunately Arshavin is still statistically effective in some areas, but you have to wonder if they even bother recording other data (like his tendency to complete dump the full back in shit). However Walcott must be in the red on every category. I can't see how even an automated, machine based method for team selection could get so confused as to be starting Walcott, ever using Arshavin or subbing Ox in that last game. It must be very fucked up software or the same algorithms the bankers used to make their loans.

Whatever it fucking is it doesn't work.

We need to get back to actually watching the players and using brains and ears and eyes to figure out whether they are playing well or are absolute shite who shouldn't even be at the club.

I'm still :fury:!!!!

22.01.2012, the day when

a) Arsenal lost to ManU
b) Arsenal lost v Persie (who could blame him wanting to leave at the end of the season?) :cry:
c) Arsenal fans lost their faith in Arsene Wenger

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Unfortunately Arshavin is still statistically effective in some areas, but you have to wonder if they even bother recording other data (like his tendency to complete dump the full back in shit). However Walcott must be in the red on every category. I can't see how even an automated, machine based method for team selection could get so confused as to be starting Walcott, ever using Arshavin or subbing Ox in that last game. It must be very fucked up software or the same algorithms the bankers used to make their loans.

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Once a player has his trust, it takes forever for him to lose it. Used to be the case not long ago with Almunia. Once Wenger has it in his head that a player is good, game over for squad competition.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Welcome home Charlie :wave:

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just angry mate, got a fecking headache now. i just give up with the man, no wumming being serious.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Agreed. I am saying that he doesn't do stuff without thinking (probably too much) about it. If it's over the decision to rest Van Persie, he might not even ask the player, but he'll look at his GPS tracking toy stats and decide. As expected, in his post-match interview, he believed that Oxlade "had started to fatigue". If you believe that, you believe taking him off for a top attacking talent (which he thinks Arshavin is) is the right thing to do. Logic can be totally separate from being right. Your logic could be flawless and you could be making the wrong choices every time. We all agree that it's not sensible to stick to pre-conceived notions about players and have pre-meditated tactics.

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If he does think so much about it, how come he always arrives at the same destination? When does it stop being logic and just become insanity as Einstein said? I don't see the logic in persuing with someone who has proven to be poor for so long. To me, it is possibly governed by something else - maybe it could be to give him as many minutes as possible as a means of advertising him for a sale. I mean, I am searching there but it is surely extremely tenuous logic to think "this time it's gonna happen!" when everything else points to the opposite being true, if he really is that smart. I'd say he's intelligent but not always smart.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

the only way i can descibe aw behaviour tbh, i thought he be more honest and humble i was wrong, hold may hands up.

FY,Zimm, TEG, Ach all right about the guy oh and Png. can't blame the board no more or even think he is protecting the board, just can stick up for the man no more.

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Nah, they're wrong. Well wrong. They act as if it is some Board v Wenger thing, when it isn't. People such as myself have wanted Wenger gone for a long time now, but realise it will not happen as long as he continues to meet their financial objectives. They (Board/Wenger) never take risk when it comes to spending money on transfers, but seem to have forgotten about the risks inherent in not adequately maintaining the squad.

Wenger has been the right man to make money but is the wrong man to manage a team to success - many have seen this for a long time - infact I know I've wanted Wenger sacked for longer than two and perhaps 3 of the people you have quoted. But 3 of the people quoted haven't a clue of or choose not to understand the dynamics and objectives of the people with power and managerial responsibility at this Club.

I'd have chosen for Wenger to walk and would still like that. But if for at least the last 2.5 years this Board were interested in arresting the decline in this Club, they should have sacked Wenger.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Nah, they're wrong. Well wrong. They act as if it is some Board v Wenger thing, when it isn't. People such as myself have wanted Wenger gone for a long time now, but realise it will not happen as long as he continues to meet their financial objectives. They (Board/Wenger) never take risk when it comes to spending money on transfers, but seem to have forgotten about the risks inherent in not adequately maintaining the squad.

Wenger has been the right man to make money but is the wrong man to manage a team to success - many have seen this for a long time - infact I know I've wanted Wenger sacked for longer than two and perhaps 3 of the people you have quoted. But 3 of the people quoted haven't a clue of or choose not to understand the dynamics and objectives of the people with power and managerial responsibility at this Club.

I'd have chosen for Wenger to walk and would still like that. But if for at least the last 2.5 years this Board were interested in arresting the decline in this Club, they should have sacked Wenger.

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It's all Wenger. The board is powerless in this because all they do is make the decisions. So what can they do realistically? They've watched us tumble down the league, they've watched the team decline to the point we get outplayed by Swansea. I feel sorry for them. £500million is one thing but hardly compensation for what's happened to the club. I see it as the fans and the board in this together against the evil Wenger who has total control of everything. Nothing can change until Wenger releases us from his death grip.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's all Wenger. The board is powerless in this because all they do is make the decisions. So what can they do realistically? They've watched us tumble down the league, they've watched the team decline to the point we get outplayed by Swansea. I feel sorry for them. £500million is one thing but hardly compensation for what's happened to the club. I see it as the fans and the board in this together against the evil Wenger who has total control of everything. Nothing can change until Wenger releases us from his death grip.

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If Wenger was opposed to the board not investing sufficiently in the squad, and wanted more money which the board weren't willing to provide, why didn't he leave then? Ultimately, the objectives of the board and Wenger are completely aligned to each other. There is no principle/agent problem here, they are "bottom line" obsessed and treat this club simply as a business, forgetting that we're a football club first and foremost.