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We had better players last season, compared to this one. Matter of a fact was had RVP picked up an injury earlier we'd have been fucked sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gubby Allen
Had the spuds not collapsed we'd be no where near 3rd anyway.
Id not say this has been a bigger collapse then what happen last season, because our sqaud has not been strong since day one.
Loose a few key players and we see what happens.
It's what you get with a mickey mouse manager I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I'm sad that the club isn't doing as well as it should be, on the plus side though that plan Wenger is getting his come uppance and maybe will get closer to being moved on, which let's face it is what we need.
From who he won't be sacked nothing will change so i don't see it tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Us missing out on the CL only affects the fans more or less and thats why most will be upset by missing out if we do.
Us missing out on the CL will affect the fans, it will p*ss them off and may make them do something a bit more drastic, from a personal point of view I think the CL is sh*t, we just make up the numbers every year, nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
As for Wenger, his position becomes more untenable as the collapses continue, the fans have the power at the end of the day, if they kick up a big enough fuss then the board would be left with little choice.
Wenger on the sidelines kicking his drinking bottle and waving his hands in the air means sh*t because he doesn't ever seem to do the necessary, it amazes me he's surprised or even frustrated by these defeats and draws as they're largely of his own making.
This season is worse than last season, you're right we are lucky to be where we are and are only there because other teams have faltered badly, fact is though this season has been a disaster, last summer was a disaster, the start of the season was a disaster, the cups were a disaster and looks like the end of the season is a disaster too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
The biggest disaster though is that the clown is still in charge, how can we ever hope to get better with this clown at the helm?
As for losing players, well again the manager showed his incompetence, we left it way too late to sell them (we were in denial all summer) and then replaced them with panic buys, there was no planning, just a load of BS from the manager, poor show.
Apart from losing out on a load of money how are we affected by not qualifying for the CL. Lets be honest for a change -we have not got near the final for 6 years and havent a
prayer of winning it with our current manager. The early group stages are boring and we dont even sell out those matches. So, we are really talking about one or two rounds where we may get a couple of matches against a top team like Barca or Milan. We will look forward to the matches for weeks and then we will be killed over the two legs and thats it for another season. So, I dont give a shit about the CL anymore and would much rather win a fucking cup- even if its the Anglo-African cup in Nigeria.
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Originally Posted by ItsMe
I pretty much feel the same, sure we miss out on the money, but we don't spend it anyway so who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
When you're a club like us just making up the numbers without a prayer of every winning it, I agree it's very boring, the group stages are dull as dishwater and we all know the minute we meet anyone decent we're out.
I agree with most of what you say. Where i disagree is that I dont believe the fans have the power to get rid of managers like they used to. Its a corporate game - just look at Newcastle. Ashley does what he wants even though the fans hate him. Sure, Liverpool got rid of Hodgson cos of their fans but our board would not sack Wenger even if the fans broke into the Directors box, tied the directors up and tortured them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
In a sense they do, if they stop turning up you can guarantee the board would have to act, they won't of course. Newcastle fans have kinda changed their mind about Ashley I think as their fortunes have changed in recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
The question also has to be posed whether Wenger would stick around if the fans clearly wanted him out, I doubt he would.
Yep and this is why i don't Wenger out after every mantch we loose not because i still think he is the man to lead us to glory but my word to the board means feck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
I do agree with Zimm that fans can not turn up but ours don't do that they love the club too much.