Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Again im not talking about the roman era im talking about history. They had not history before Roman took over fact. We have a better history, not sure why you keep bringing up what they keep buying its irrelvant to the convensation.

know all of them by history, just you cause fickle glory hunter don't mean they all are.

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Again noone gives a toss about history to be honest, it's nice to know your club did this and your club did that but the present and future is what matters most...the stuff I brought up is very relevant, I don't live in the past and neither do most people.

Fickle glory hunter? Please I was supporting Arsenal even in the difficult times with Graham etc and loved it, Chelsea fans had Harding bringing in money and loved him and loved all the spending before Abrahmovic as well, would they want to go back to no spending and winning jack sh*t....not of course not. This cr*p about glory hunting is tiresome to be honest, every fan at a big club wants success....those are the expectations, so yeah they are all glory hunters if that's what you want to call them or else they wouldn't have wanted Grant or Scolari out.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Again noone gives a toss about history to be honest.

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Says it all. ill end this convo here.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Says it all. ill end this convo here.

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Not really no, that's the reality, sure people look back at how great it was and how winning this was good (and it is great) etc but people want to see success in the present day and that will count for more than success 50 years ago to them, history is no substitute.

Do Real fans sit there happy they won x trophies 10 years ago or do they crave success now? Are Liverpool fans happy they won trophies in the 80's or would they rather they won trophies in the present day?

You sound just like Wenger, living on past glories, you live on past glories when the present offers no success for you talk about.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Maybe not but do you reckon they'd swap seats with us?

I doubt it.

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i think they'd take wenger over rafa.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Not really no, that's the reality, sure people look back at how great it was and how winning this was good (and it is great) etc but people want to see success in the present day and that will count for more than success 50 years ago to them, history is no substitute.

Do Real fans sit there happy they won x trophies 10 years ago or do they crave success now? Are Liverpool fans happy they won trophies in the 80's or would they rather they won trophies in the present day?

You sound just like Wenger, living on past glories, you live on past glories when the present offers no success for you talk about.

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Not sure what your on about, I never said anything you said i did so stop twisting shit. No one cares about history? your the one who bangs on about the Graham days.

Im not living in the past, cause im not talking just about trophy's we won i'm talking about the things we have seen in our history as gooners. History is not just winning stuff its about things we have seen as fans and things we have been through. Not sure why you keep going on like trophy's are the be all and end all.

Please don't go on like you know every football fans mind cause you don't. Just because you like trophy's and its all you care about does not mean everyone or every chelsea or utd. Barca, Real fan is like you.

You asked if Chelsea fans would swap place with us, Better question how many Arsenal fans would swap place with them, not many if any.

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Do Real fans sit there happy they won x trophies 10 years ago or do they crave success now? Are Liverpool fans happy they won trophies in the 80's or would they rather they won trophies in the present day?

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Liverpool fans are very happy about thier history, they bleat on about it 24/7 more or less. Madrid fans of course they remember their history. Compared to Chelsea and City these clubs will always be bigger clubs because of their history's. Winning the CL once does not make you a big club.

I never said they did not want success now, so stop twisting my words please.

If it was not for our history, then no arsenal fan would be upset with the way the club is being run.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

You asked if Chelsea fans would swap place with us, Better question how many Arsenal fans would swap place with them, not many if any.

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I'd rather go down on Ivan Gazidis.

chelsea have had a wonderful decade of success built by a man who couldn't give a shit about them, a bit like us, except they have the trophies.

but that approach can't last forever and their club is now as toxic as ours, because their steep, quick climb means their lows are sharp and very hard going. Ours is bad right now but it has taken a long time to get here and we at least have a way out of it in the future. will chelsea? hopefully not. it's hard to see their fans stomaching this shit every season.

History? I give a shit about history. It's the history that distinguishes between the remarkable clubs and the also rans. Real Madrid are just Wimbledon FC without their history, Liverpool's history can't be bought for any amount of money as a certain Russian is discovering. It's not ALL about history, but without the history what's the point of supporting one team? Just support the team at the top week by week and switch when they drop. After all, without the history what connects you to one club? Nothing, so no fans, no tribes no rivalries just the last result and the last trophy. What a great sport that would be. Not even the chav fans want that and a lot of them will have grown up in Amramovich fantasy land.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

History? I give a shit about history. It's the history that distinguishes between the remarkable clubs and the also rans. Real Madrid are just Wimbledon FC without their history, Liverpool's history can't be bought for any amount of money as a certain Russian is discovering. It's not ALL about history, but without the history what's the point of supporting one team? Just support the team at the top week by week and switch when they drop. After all, without the history what connects you to one club? Nothing, so no fans, no tribes no rivalries just the last result and the last trophy. What a great sport that would be. Not even the chav fans want that and a lot of them will have grown up in Amramovich fantasy land.

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Spot on.

Should have left in 2004. He was never going to repeat or top the Invincibles. We or anyone else is not going to do that for a very long time if ever but to see how far we have fallen from the Invincibles is Wengers legacy. The man who destroyed the club he himself made through greed, stubborness and being a ****. A lesson to all young managers there. Do what Wenger done for the first 8 odd seasons of his Arsenal career then do the exact opposite for the next 8 to continue on the success.