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Just bad luck really, the goals weren't in the right place on the day so when we hit the target the target had changed (not our fault), at half time we were in the games, in the 2nd half things just didn't go our way. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Also I think it was raining those days.
Which coincides with Wenger's view that a clubs should be financially responsible, turn a profit and be self-sustaining without outside investors. These principles were in place before Kroenke arrived. If it weren’t for Arsene Wenger’s views, Kroenke wouldn’t have stuck around. In fact, Dein initially brought him here to be an outside investor. Wenger being hailed as an untouchable, godlike figure by the fans and press, being able to keep us in the Top 4 whilst selling off our best players and turning a profit is what keeps a vulture like Stan circling. We’ve been led down the wrong path. It’s two sides of the same coin. Wenger was able to sell the fans this self-sustaining model malarkey and paint Chelsea and City as the bad guys to the point where delusional fans (myself included) were willing to champion a model that’s designed to squeeze as much as possible from the fans whilst keep as much back to pay themselves. Stan owns the church and Wenger is the preacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
It’s worth reading the below. You’ll notice the similarities between Fisher and Wenger.
http://www.101sports.com/2016/12/12/...ill-owns-team/
Wenger is the problem and as a result of his philosophy, we’ve inherited an even bigger problem in Kroenke. Wenger’s obsession with making a profit instead of winning trophies has become the club culture. Just look at how he’s neglected the back staff. He blocked Henry from becoming a coach here, we’ve had plenty of former players that would have loved to be part of the coaching staff but he hasn’t embraced them. Jonker has now left the his position of Youth Academy Head Coach and taken Freddie with him because it sounds like he wasn’t being backed to change the culture.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7603981.html
This is the legacy Wenger leaves behind. There is so much more he could have done to protect this club but he’s been more concerned with the financial siding and protecting his own position. Fuck him. Always remember how Wenger justified a season ticket price hike that equated to the same amount used to pay KSE £3m. That’s who he caters to. Fuck him.
You know people hail Arsene Wenger for what's he's achieved with this club and how he's changed us, however there's loads of Arsenal fans that can't stand what the club has become, so are we praising him for turning the club into something we don't like?
Ironically Abrahmovic was interested in buying us before he bought Chelsea, but was put off by the cost of the stadium, had Wenger and his cronies not come up with that money making idea things could have been so different, we might have had an owner who actually cared about what's happening on the pitch and cared about the club.
Yes the stadium has allowed us to make more money, but effectively it's making more moeny for Wenger and co and costing the fans in the process, it's been win win for the club.
Abramovich I wouldn't say cares about the club. he cares about winning and his reputation but he also looked at Spurs I think. So its not like he was a Chelsea fan. He just wants to win. That's the difference. Kroenke knows that Arsenal will continue to make money without the need to win titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Also I think no one really imagined the TV money would extrapolate as much as it has done as both City and Chelsea make money I think.
Abramovich has become a football man through association and obviously cares about Chelsea after 14 years. He's there every game, accessible to all the players and ensures he does everything in his power to keep them competitive, however cut throat it might seem.
We have the worst the kind of owner - a complete leech with no interest in the sporting matters of the club.
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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
One constant throughout it all. Everything and everyone has changed, I think that's true, is there anyone at all left from the glory days? Only one man remains. Nothing that has happened has been coincidence.
Exactly. It’s hard to overlook. People say we have Wenger to thank for propelling us to this level where we’re contenders, but if you hate how the clubs being run, how can you ignore the man smack dab in the middle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
How is he leaving a great legacy if we now hate what we’ve become? The football memories have been great and that can’t be taken away from or the fans but what else is he leaving behind? For those worried about how far we may fall once Wenger has gone and we’re left with Stan and Ivan, you have to question how we’ve come to this in the first place. Why are we so vulnerable after he leaves? Where is his succession plan? The fact he’s held the club to ransom and has allowed himself to run down to the final months of his contract without taking on a protégé speaks volumes. When he goes, the footballing knowledge goes with him because we’re left with the bean counters. Surely he knows that so why hasn’t he pushed for a restructure?
I'm all for a good Wenger bash but if we are getting the point that we shouldn't have built the Emirates because it lead to Abrohmavich, a guy our fans have blasted for many years and deride Chelsea fans about, to not buy this club, then the conversation has veered to mental and irredeemable.
Thats not a defense of Kroenke. He is one of the worst owners in american sports. Saying that, the prior ownership had no interest in footballing matters either until Wenger arrived and did their work for them.
Not absolutely true. We won trophies before Wenger came. Leagues and Cups.It is well known that Friar and a few other spent their own money on the club back then and Dein was Mr Arsenal until internal feuding led to his departure. Wengers haul betters that of Graham by maybe 3 or 4 cups and 1 league and he has been here thrice as long. The football may not have been pretty, but whose game was beautiful back then?. United were the only game in town before Wenger came and set in motion the French revolution. Arguably this would have happened without him anyway because French football was about to take off in a major way between 97-2000. Everyone wanted French players around then. The only thing is that Wenger knew the great players before they became great. We are eternally thankful to him for that. But not to the point of a 15 year active retirement since 2005. Enough of that 10m/yr pension for not knowing what the fuck he is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermind84
You missed my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
We won before Wenger, but that was not my point. My point is the prior owners (Danny Fiszman and them) had no real interest in football affairs. They hired strong managers and let them do what they wanted. It lead to Wenger now, and before htat it was Graham and Graham taking bungs under their noses.
The only person who showed interest was David Dein, and he brought the club Kroenke and sold his shares to Usmanov for a good payout.
Kroenke is a terrible owner, but I am not going to forget the prior owners.