Match Reaction - Arsenal vs Sunderland

Well no, we've clearly been spoilt. I've seen us do the double twice, I've seen an unbeaten league season, I've seen us win a sack of trophies, I've seen some amazing football in a style I never dreamed I'd see us play and I've seen a team with Henry and Bergkamp in. The same team!

THAT, is being spoilt. The fans of 99% of clubs will NEVER see that sort of success in their whole lives supporting a club.

That said, we can't live in the past forever and the case for Wenger to be sacked is growing stronger. That doesn't mean we've not been spoilt relative to the experiences of most football fans.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

All reasonable comments but why the need for disrespect and just plain abuse of AW? He's managed us through our most successful period in living memory and got us playing a style of football I never thought I'd see us play. You're too young to remember some of the football we had to watch when I first started going to games and you're too young to remember when 4th was an achievement rather than a disappointment.

The football isn't so good now, the glory days are over (the rise of the billionare owners IS a factor in that although I agree we could and should be doing more to compete), but there's no call for the abuse or disrespect you post.

I think the argument that Wenger needs to go is pretty strong now, as you say the lack of investment and the frankly baffling decisions make his position weak, even accounting for the good times under him. Being abusive and disrespectful adds nothing to the argument though.

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It detracts significantly from the argument.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Garbage!

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Not really, can understand manc fans being upset if they go 2 seasons with out a trophy because they are not used to that. They are used to winning and winning well. We on the other hand, have never had that, we have never one back to back titles since i have been watching AFC we won things once in a while or every other year when AW took over.

The only bad thing for Wenger was the Invincibles was that they should have been a few more yeears younger and we may have won more.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It detracts significantly from the argument.

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What a load of fucking crap.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

All reasonable comments but why the need for disrespect and just plain abuse of AW? He's managed us through our most successful period in living memory and got us playing a style of football I never thought I'd see us play. You're too young to remember some of the football we had to watch when I first started going to games and you're too young to remember when 4th was an achievement rather than a disappointment.

The football isn't so good now, the glory days are over (the rise of the billionare owners IS a factor in that although I agree we could and should be doing more to compete), but there's no call for the abuse or disrespect you post.

I think the argument that Wenger needs to go is pretty strong now, as you say the lack of investment and the frankly baffling decisions make his position weak, even accounting for the good times under him. Being abusive and disrespectful adds nothing to the argument though.

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Agree with you on the abuse part but I guess thats what he gets for taking the fans for a ride. I mean, how many years can you take these comments:

- We played with a handbrake
- x, y or z is back from injury and he is like a new signing
- we are looking only for super quality players
- we have togetherness, great mental attitude, spirit
- we are 2% away from domination (agreed this was said only once but really!?)
- we lacked a bit of sharpness
- we are in waiting period (again, happened only once but needed a mention)

These are just what comes to mind when you think about him in the last few seasons. If he is taking the piss out of the fans, I think a fair amount of rage/abuse can be directed towards him. My abuse might seem over the top at times but he deserves to be called a c*nt if he thinks the fans are one..

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not really, can understand manc fans being upset if they go 2 seasons with out a trophy because they are not used to that. They are used to winning and winning well. We on the other hand, have never had that, we have never one back to back titles since i have been watching AFC we won things once in a while or every other year when AW took over.

The only bad thing for Wenger was the Invincibles was that they should have been a few more yeears younger and we may have won more.

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Well why should we have an attitude like that? We should demand more.. shouldnt our club aim to be THE best in the world? With attitude like "we cant win every year.. we can come 2nd or 3rd and then may be try a few years later", we are not going to go very far. We should strive to be where Man Utd, Barca are.. rather than look at ourselves and think of us as a second tier club. We have the resources, youth system and the history... why not take it to the next level?

After the unbeaten run, it did look like we could be on top for years to come but the defeat at OT, Mourinho's brilliance and lack of intelligence from AW has meant we have regressed rather than progressed.

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

Agree with you on the abuse part but I guess thats what he gets for taking the fans for a ride. I mean, how many years can you take these comments:

- We played with a handbrake
- x, y or z is back from injury and he is like a new signing
- we are looking only for super quality players
- we have togetherness, great mental attitude, spirit
- we are 2% away from domination (agreed this was said only once but really!?)
- we lacked a bit of sharpness
- we are in waiting period (again, happened only once but needed a mention)

These are just what comes to mind when you think about him in the last few seasons. If he is taking the piss out of the fans, I think a fair amount of rage/abuse can be directed towards him. My abuse might seem over the top at times but he deserves to be called a c*nt if he thinks the fans are one..

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So what should he say the team is shit the board is shit and im shit? We all know the man has a tendancy to say annoying things at time but thats him. End of the day no manager will critisize his team in public when he feels they are down.

end of the day you don't like what he says don't listen.

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

he deserves to be called a c*nt if he thinks the fans are one..

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I'm sure he doesn't think that. Pretty much all managers talk bollocks, frankly.
Obviously when things aren't going so well people are going to pick up on it more.

If you agree with the abuse part then how about cutting it out, it adds nothing to your arguments and as Gary says if anything it detracts from them by making you look like a stroppy teenager.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

So what should he say the team is shit the board is shit and im shit? We all know the man has a tendancy to say annoying things at time but thats him. End of the day no manager will critisize his team in public when he feels they are down.

end of the day you don't like what he says don't listen.

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I have no choice but to listen to him. He manages my club unfortunately and I have no choice but to listen to him. I am not asking AW to call out the team for being bad... im calling him out for making the team bad, for playing players out of position and having a crap defense and then have the balls to come out and say those things.

Here is how I look at it.. he is doing a terrible job at managing Arsenal and he is doing it with arrogance with the safe knowledge that what he did 7-8 years ago guarantees him this job till he decides to leave it. I call him out for abuse for his arrogance, stubbornness and those comments he makes. I do understand where some of you might think its unjustified, I however think it is very justified.. difference in opinion.

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

Well why should we have an attitude like that? We should demand more.. shouldnt our club aim to be THE best in the world? With attitude like "we cant win every year.. we can come 2nd or 3rd and then may be try a few years later", we are not going to go very far. We should strive to be where Man Utd, Barca are.. rather than look at ourselves and think of us as a second tier club. We have the resources, youth system and the history... why not take it to the next level?After the unbeaten run, it did look like we could be on top for years to come but the defeat at OT, Mourinho's brilliance and lack of intelligence from AW has meant we have regressed rather than progressed.

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Agreed, your right we should be looking to take it higher, We should be striving higher all fans will tell you that. I did not agree with AW saying 2nd was ok last season which helped our downfall i thought. Maybe the Club/Manager feel they are running the club in the right way. The way that will make us big again.