Weekend Games 27th/28th October

LOLZERS hilarious finish from Valencia.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Can I remind you what happened yesterday against QPR though?

Today Chelsea haven't just had one bad decision but two crucial decisions a 2nd sending off (which should have been the Man U player) and a offside goal.

Basically two decisions which completely changed the game in favour of Man U. Ref's make mistakes but that many key mistakes in such a big match?

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Yeah but lets be honest if that was us you;d be blaming us rather then the refs its ok cause its the mighty chelsea though.

Valencia, what a mug

Valencia with an effort from the Chamakh school of finishing!

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Originally Posted by Syn

It's not even that. When it happens to us, these same guys (supposedly our own fans) say "it's part and parcel of the game", "take off the tin foil hats". That's what seems to make no sense.

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I can't remember the last time we've been screwed over badly like this. I'm thinking against Barca when the ref sent RVP off. Dubious decision.

To go two goals down and to pull it back l, but then to lose like this...hard for anyone to swallow. A dubious sending off and an offside goal. Turned the game upside down.

Get it into the mixer lads.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Yeah but lets be honest if that was us you;d be blaming us rather then the refs its ok cause its the mighty chelsea though.

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Not really no, the odd decision happens but two decisions like this?

We get our fair share of breaks, but some people go on like all the decisions go against us and it's the only reason we don't win sometimes, we get bad decisions but it generally evens out over a season. Today's game is a bit different IMO, this wasn't an one off decision, it was a succession of shockers which basically won the game for Man U.

Or not

Chelsea 2-3 Man Utd, FT.

Chelsea. :haha:

Two defeats in a row, crisis looming.

Wednesday night will be tasty. :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Syn

I do agree with you to an extent. The contact isn't enough to bring him down but the fact that players go down after any contact is as much the fault of referees as the players. Not because they can't recognise dives. But because - if the player stays on his feet after being fouled - they hardly ever get the decision. The act of going down seems to be necessary in confirming the decision.

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True. When was the last time you've seen NQ back the ref? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I can't remember the last time we've been screwed over badly like this. I'm thinking against Barca when the ref sent RVP off. Dubious decision.

To go two goals down and to pull it back l, but then to lose like this...hard for anyone to swallow. A dubious sending off and an offside goal. Turned the game upside down.

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Pretty much, you're always going to get mistakes, but not usually on this scale.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I can't remember the last time we've been screwed over badly like this. I'm thinking against Barca when the ref sent RVP off. Dubious decision.

To go two goals down and to pull it back l, but then to lose like this...hard for anyone to swallow. A dubious sending off and an offside goal. Turned the game upside down.

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Chelsea should be more worried why they were 2-0 down but now no one will care about that it will be about how the ref fucked them over, they never cared when Atkinson screwed utd over for them.

Yes the ref was poor it happens.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Not really no, the odd decision happens but two decisions like this?

We get our fair share of breaks, but some people go on like all the decisions go against us and it's the only reason we don't win sometimes, we get bad decisions but it generally evens out over a season. Today's game is a bit different IMO, this wasn't an one off decision, it was a succession of shockers which basically won the game for Man U.

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OK so the next tim we get 2 bad decisions like this id like to se you call the ref on it. Im not saying we get screwed over by refs but we don't get the treatment UTD do.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I can't remember the last time we've been screwed over badly like this.

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The 4-4 at Newcastle. The most criminal refereeing performance you'll ever see.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

The 4-4 at Newcastle. The most criminal refereeing performance you'll ever see.

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Indeed.

if people honestly believe this league isnt corrupt they are very naive.

cases have been proven in spain, france, italy even germany.

you honestly think it wouldn't happen in the best and most profitable league in the world?

rubbish.

once every blue moon and you could accept it. but these decisions every season is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Chelsea should be more worried why they were 2-0 down but now no one will care about that it will be about how the ref fucked them over, they never cared when Atkinson screwed utd over for them.

Yes the ref was poor it happens.

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Teams sometimes go 2-0 down, we did even in our great days, but the top teams have this resilience to come back just like we use to. Chelsea did the hard work and then got mugged by what seemed like biased refereeing.

Chavs on 22 points both mancs on 21 :lol:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

OK so the next tim we get 2 bad decisions like this id like to se you call the ref on it. Im not saying we get screwed over by refs but we don't get the treatment UTD do.

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If the decisions are goals and a sending off (which should have been a sending off for the other team) then we'd have good reason to complain.

If we get the odd bad decision you have to accept it, just like you have to accept bad ones that go in your favour like yesterday.

At least Chelsea have lost now.

The Fergie :bow: :bow:.

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Originally Posted by Syn

I do agree with you to an extent. The contact isn't enough to bring him down but the fact that players go down after any contact is as much the fault of referees as the players. Not because they can't recognise dives. But because - if the player stays on his feet after being fouled - they hardly ever get the decision. The act of going down seems to be necessary in confirming the decision.

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Yeah it's crap to have to rely on split decision making in sport the 21st century. If the ref can ask a fourth official to take 5 seconds to look at that and radio him back then we quickly eradicate diving because it won't be worth it. But from the top of football down they don't want the technology. That's because this gamesmanship is half the tactics these days. I was watching Skertel today, a big hard bastard like him throwing himself around like a giant pansy. I was wondering, aren't you even embarrassed, you ****?

I really am not sure what some of you are talking about. You haven't seen two (possibly) bad decisions in a game before? That is basically what it came down to.

Atkinson's performance against Man Utd when they lost 2-1 at Stamford Bridge was just as bad, if not worse.

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Manchester United's vice-chairman says the club will continue to "wholeheartedly" back manager Sir Alex Ferguson to buy established stars.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20044516

Clattenburg is definitely established.

That 4-4. :haha: :wacko:

Literally handing Newcastle the game on a plate.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I really am not sure what some of you are talking about. You haven't seen two (possibly) bad decisions in a game before? That is basically what it came down to.

Atkinson's performance against Man Utd when they lost 2-1 at Stamford Bridge was just as bad, if not worse.

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This. It happens its not a good thing but it happens. Lets not go on like this is the 1st time it happend.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

I really am not sure what some of you are talking about. You haven't seen two (possibly) bad decisions in a game before? That is basically what it came down to.

Atkinson's performance against Man Utd when they lost 2-1 at Stamford Bridge was just as bad, if not worse.

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I don't remember that game but today at 2-2 sending off the extra Chelsea player when it should have been the Man U player was a double whammy. To add insult to injury he then gifts them a winning goal as well, not a bad days work.

In a sense this was three bad decisions since Evans should have been red carded.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Chelsea should be more worried why they were 2-0 down but now no one will care about that it will be about how the ref fucked them over, they never cared when Atkinson screwed utd over for them.

Yes the ref was poor it happens.

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You're missing the point. Two goals down is bad, but they pulled it back and could have held out for a draw or possible win. It's not the same as being a goal down and bitching at the ref for not awarding a penalty to us. The refs decisions shouldn't decide the outcome of a game, or a team shouldn't be reliant upon that. Today, Utd were helped by the ref and got the win because of him.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

The 4-4 at Newcastle. The most criminal refereeing performance you'll ever see.

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That was the ref creating decisions and rules out of thin air. Dodgiest performance for years. And a lot of smoke afterwards with no effort whatsoever to locate the fire. Multi billion quid sport, for sure underhand shit goes on. But not today, too obvious. It's just a ref struggling with twenty two cheating fuckers and trying to make head or tail of it. He fucked it on the third goal but otherwise he did as well as could be expected, and a lot better than most with the second red. Utd are just better cheats than the chavs. Rooney is miles better than Torres at hiding the snidey shit. Torres is a prolific but shit cheat.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I don't remember that game but today at 2-2 sending off the extra Chelsea player when it should have been the Man U player was a double whammy. To add insult to injury he then gifts them a winning goal as well, not a bad days work.

In a sense this was three bad decisions since Evans should have been red carded.

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And Rooney, and RVC for that elbow on Luiz

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You're missing the point. Two goals down is bad, but they pulled it back and could have held out for a draw or possible win. It's not the same as being a goal down and bitching at the ref for not awarding a penalty to us. The refs decisions shouldn't decide the outcome of a game, or a team shouldn't be reliant upon that. Today, Utd were helped by the ref and got the win because of him.

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This was not the 1st game the refs have helped UTD or Any team, every team has had their fair share of being mugged off it happens. Atkinson did it to the mancs Chav were happy then. Swings and round abouts.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

This was not the 1st game the refs have helped UTD or Any team, every team has had their fair share of being mugged off it happens. Atkinson did it to the mancs Chav were happy then. Swings and round abouts.

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It matters more in big games like this though, losing to a rival is a double blow, you lose the points they get three.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I don't remember that game but today at 2-2 sending off the extra Chelsea player when it should have been the Man U player was a double whammy. To add insult to injury he then gifts them a winning goal as well, not a bad days work.

In a sense this was three bad decisions since Evans should have been red carded.

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Of course you don't. Torres was booked for the simulation presumably, not neccessarily whether there was contact or not based on the fact he booked Valencia in a similar way later on.

Anyway, it doesn't preclude criticism of Chelsea's defending (again) and Ivanovic being a liability in general (again).

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It matters more in big games like this though, losing to a rival is a double blow, you lose the points they get three.

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It matters in any games. Relegation games are just as important.

Chelsea bounced back well according to Souness. Back-to-back defeats. :bow:

Well maybe if they hadn't gone 0-2 down in the first place, sendings off wouldn't have been so damaging to them.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Of course you don't. Torres was booked for the simulation presumably, not neccessarily whether there was contact or not based on the fact he booked Valencia in a similar way later on.

Anyway, it doesn't preclude criticism of Chelsea's defending (again) and Ivanovic being a liability in general (again).

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well maybe if they hadn't gone 0-2 down in the first place, sendings off wouldn't have been so damaging to them.

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This.

I hate football.

Well at least we can't say the games weren't entertaining. :lol:

Ford Super Sunday being shown Live and proving Literally Anything Can Happen. :bow:

With every being said RVP was class again today, just seems to get better and better, goalscorer and creator, looks a real bargain for Man U....signing of the season?

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Originally Posted by Syn

Well at least we can't say the games weren't entertaining. :lol:

Ford Super Sunday being shown Live and proving Literally Anything Can Happen. :bow:

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Epl :bow:

La Liga :pal: