Luis Suarez thread

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

aldridge prefers custard pies.

shame arshavin skipped on.

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Skipped?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

He won't do any of that at Arsenal.

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very good

;)

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Stb said "is Suarez racist or is he just guilty of saying a racist comment?". If I'm in an argument with a fat guy and call him 'a fat fuck' it doesn't mean I have anything against fat people. Like I said, I don't condone what he said at all, and if he is a racist he should be banned from football as far as I'm concerned. But we don't know that.

Are Arsenal fans racist for calling spurs fans 'yids'? For the elephant washing chants to Adebayor?

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I think we are arguing semantics here. If someone goes round calling someone a "Bl*ck Bastard" or "Wh*te Sh*t" or whatever then you are a racist, or are you saying that someone can make such comment(s) but not be deemed racist? The purpose and intent of such a comment is to mock someone of a "different colour" or "race", that to me is racism.

Where do you draw the line? Stating that you just made a racist remark but are not racist is a ridiculous cop out. Making such comment is an action that is meant to offend.

Moreover, you don't have to be part of Klu Klux Kan or the BPN to be a labelled and viewed as a racist.

Your examples are not in anyway comparable to the Suarez comment either.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

:gp: And through desperation some here think it's all suddenly going to change

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Who said he's going to change? Even ollie has accepted he'll do the same to us as he has to his previous clubs and leave in a few years.

I think most people realise that hoping for morality and justness in football is futile and are just glad to be potentially signing a tried and tested superb player for once.

If we want to talk about rights and wrongs and how it will damage the club's standing, I'm afraid football is an irreparably damaged institution and Arsenal Football Club is undoubtedly tarnished too.

You either accept you're watching a shitty, but often highly entertaining, sport and be at peace with it or tune into a decidedly non-grubby alternative.

Like cycling.

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

I think most people realise that hoping for morality and justness in football is futile

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Right on there Sir, but some aspects cant just be ignored because of it.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Skipped?

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optimistic i know.

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

He wont change. He is the same as he was at ajax

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Oh I agree, I'm just saying it how I see it. I see him as a great player and a welcome addition to the team if he joins, he is a massive upgrade on any striker we currently have.

Despite all that, I think he's a horrible human being, Zimm and others have listed what he has done to date and like you stated I don't think he'll change, he has a long history of these incidents.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

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well if he doesn't get the basics of football tribalism, then he'll never get his head round it.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

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I'm surprised that anyone is surprised at the Arsenal fans reaction. Suarez is a top player - of course we want him. We don't care if he's a wanker, show me a footballer and I'll show you a wanker. They are absolute scum but Suarez would be our scummy wanker and that's all that matters.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

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What you, and others who are making this accusation, fail to realise is that not one person on here (as far as I have seen) has excused Suarez's actions or defended him. Everyone knows he's a revolting piece of utter scum.

When NQ says he finds there are more heinous crimes worth zoning in on than Suarez's racism, he's not excusing him.

When me, MO, or Cripps says he's an excellent player, we're not defending him.

Just because we say one thing, it doesn't mean it infers the other. It's quite simple.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

Right on there Sir, but some aspects cant just be ignored because of it.

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I hate to come all NQ over you, but why not? Awful shit in life is overlooked all the time. Why is awful shit in football of more importance? If anything, I'd say 'controversial' incidents in football are as trivial as you can get. Especially as what we're discussing is basically a silly 90-minute kick about between stupid, rich, slightly taller and bulkier schoolchildren, backed by an even stupider baying crowd of tribal saps.

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/st...27604457246720

:lol:

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Originally Posted by LDG

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/st...27604457246720

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He said smoking, not injecting.

Will you guys stop portraiting him as a rascist psychopath? Its fucking crazy and blown out of proportion. The way you do it, you could portrait most footballers as psychopaths, its just ridiculous. Im not defending him because he may or may not be our player soon, but its not fair treating a person like this, especially based on a "his word against my word" case.

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

Like you say its difficult to say definitively. Personally I don't think he's racist, just a bit thick (like most players).

What I really can't stand about him is his on-field antics i.e throwing himself around, constantly gesticulating to the ref and lino's. But ultimately he is a world class striker, and being a typically fickle fan I'm sure I would forgive him for that!

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Originally Posted by bunsco

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

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:gp: Revisionism.

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

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i think an important element here is the culture. if he called evra a negro instead of a n****r then it can be viewed as 'more' acceptable because of ideological and cultural differences relating to the value system he was bought up in. south americans are typically accustomed to referring black people as 'negros', it's like when we say 'hey mate', they say 'hey negro'. in that sense i dont think he's racist. he is just accustomed to a different value system compared to the european one we have been bought up in.

but i do recall him saying a few things that clearly overstepped the mark i.e. when evra said 'why are you acting like this' he said 'because you're black', or something along those lines. that clearly oversteps the boundary. but in a sick twisted way, again, i guess it's 'more' acceptable in his eyes because he was raised in a culture and value system where it's okay to (perhaps) devalue people of certain races. the ideological difference between europe and south america is huge. here everyone is automatically equal, but perhaps not over there.

having said that, he lived in holland for a number of years and surely knows it was a boundary too far.

and linking it into terry's case, i think terry's incident was much worse. he said the actual N word caught live on camera and has been bought up in a european country based on european values. he has no cultural excuse.

EDIT: and as some have pointed out, education played a massive part. footballers are thick as shit.

Fuck me this shit is getting old/tiresome.

Yes Suarez is a **** but he become our **** soon and if he can score 30 a season it could mean we win something.

So fuck it, I'm passed caring tbh.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I think we are arguing semantics here. If someone goes round calling someone a "Bl*ck Bastard" or "Wh*te Sh*t" or whatever then you are a racist, or are you saying that someone can make such comment(s) but not be deemed racist? The purpose and intent of such a comment is to mock someone of a "different colour" or "race", that to me is racism.

Where do you draw the line? Stating that you just made a racist remark but are not racist is a ridiculous cop out. Making such comment is an action that is meant to offend.

Moreover, you don't have to be part of Klu Klux Kan or the BPN to be a labelled and viewed as a racist.

Your examples are not in anyway comparable to the Suarez comment either.

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So by your definition, Arsenal fans who have called spurs fans yids are racists. Or do you think it's more acceptable to demean Jewish people than black people? Were they racist or just ignorant?

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

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Regardless of what Suarez said, that doesn't mean he hates other races or thinks he's superior to them. I've heard people call Scholes a ginger c*nt for years, even I've done that. It's essentially the same thing, the only difference is that it's more socially acceptable than racist comments. But even if I did say that I have absolutely nothing against ginger people at all.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Regardless of what Suarez said, that doesn't mean he hates other races or thinks he's superior to them. I've heard people call Scholes a ginger c*nt for years, even I've done that. It's essentially the same thing, the only difference is that it's more socially acceptable than racist comments. But even if I did say that I have absolutely nothing against ginger people at all.

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you do, it's time to admit it. charlie can't sleep at night, just tell him the truth.

Are the mods just going to allow posters to openly state they have "absolutely nothing" against gingers? Please act or I'll take this up with the hosting company.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Regardless of what Suarez said, that doesn't mean he hates other races or thinks he's superior to them. I've heard people call Scholes a ginger c*nt for years, even I've done that. It's essentially the same thing, the only difference is that it's more socially acceptable than racist comments. But even if I did say that I have absolutely nothing against ginger people at all.

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http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ited_shirt.jpg

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Are the mods just going to allow posters to openly state they have "absolutely nothing" against gingers? Please act or I'll take this up with the hosting company.

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agreed. we need to take this issue up with the hosting company. we cant keep letting people get away with calling scholes ginger and sanogo a legless, hop-a-long, wannabe white postman.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

agreed. we need to take this issue up with the hosting company. we cant keep letting people get away with calling scholes ginger and sanogo a legless, hop-a-long, wannabe white postman.

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Sanogo,
Sanogo,
Sanogo and his black and white team

 

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...t_1376598c.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Fuck me this shit is getting old/tiresome.

Yes Suarez is a **** but he become our **** soon and if he can score 30 a season it could mean we win something.

So fuck it, I'm passed caring tbh.

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Self interest trumps all. This is a minor issue but you can understand on wider issues why certain atrocities and tragedies are prolonged.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Sanogo,
Sanogo,
Sanogo and his black and white team

 

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...t_1376598c.jpg

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bit harsh. where does ryo fit in? poor old yellow..

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Originally Posted by Bury Da Bwoy

That makes no sense. The majority of people who are racist don't believe they are, and more often than not don't see anything wrong in their way of thinking. I'm not saying Suarez is racist btw, I just think he's a dickhead.

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I love your name :lol:

Ignore fakeyank, Bury De Bwoy, he comes on to all the newbies.

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Originally Posted by LDG

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ited_shirt.jpg

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is that john jensen?

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Originally Posted by Penguin

So by your definition, Arsenal fans who have called spurs fans yids are racists. Or do you think it's more acceptable to demean Jewish people than black people? Were they racist or just ignorant?


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Regardless of what Suarez said, that doesn't mean he hates other races or thinks he's superior to them. I've heard people call Scholes a ginger c*nt for years, even I've done that. It's essentially the same thing, the only difference is that it's more socially acceptable than racist comments. But even if I did say that I have absolutely nothing against ginger people at all.

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so in summary its OK to say racist comments then.

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Originally Posted by bunsco

so in summary its OK to say racist comments then.

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Depends on who it's said to. If somebody made a racist remark to me I wouldn't give a shit. Other people react differently, up to them.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Depends on who it's said to. If somebody made a racist remark to me I wouldn't give a shit. Other people react differently, up to them.

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Shut up fatty. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by milla

Shut up fatty. :coffee:

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That's not a racist remark, that's weightism which is vile and says everything about you tbh.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That's not a racist remark, that's weightism which is vile and says everything about you tbh.

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:upset:

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Originally Posted by LDG

Ignore fakeyank, Bury De Bwoy, he comes on to all the newbies.

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lol nah it's all good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3hNrxNgDJM

^^^^

That's where my name comes from

*shrugs*

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Originally Posted by bunsco

so in summary its OK to say racist comments then.

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..?

In summary you didn't read the whole discussion :coffee:

http://i.imgur.com/9iHIoyH.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Fuck me this shit is getting old/tiresome.

Yes Suarez is a **** but he become our **** soon and if he can score 30 a season it could mean we win something.

So fuck it, I'm passed caring tbh.

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Yep, this is sort of attitude UEFA/Fifa have which is why they'll come down lightly on the Serbian national team for incidents that almost spark a mass brawl but then put a heavy fine on someone that breaks a sponsorship rule, like the Bendy boxer short incident.

Self interest is key. In this case, we'll overlook the racism case with Suarez because he'll bring obvious benefits to the team. For Fifa and UEFA, a ban on a nation means revenue loss.