Thought about him too buddy..... but like many other was put off by not needing another AM. However if he's anything like Alonso or Santi....sign him on a 10 year contract!
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Thought about him too buddy..... but like many other was put off by not needing another AM. However if he's anything like Alonso or Santi....sign him on a 10 year contract!
I'm not one of those weirdos who stalk footballers, so it may always have been like this... But Jack on Twitter "Professional footballer. @NikeUK athlete. Proud father to son Archie and daughter Delilah. Instagram: JackWilshere"
Jean Reno >>>Jean Seri
Pretty much a Santi or Jack replacement. He’s a technical CM, very good passer and quite mobile. He looked the real deal a couple of seasons ago and almost joined Barca last summer. He has had a fairly poor season so his stock isn’t as high right now but if he gets back to the level of two seasons ago then we will have some player on our hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I’m for it as long as we bring in a new Keeper, Central Defender and Defensive Midfielder.
Well the price is right! Guess it all hinges on whether he actually wants to carry on in that role at his next club or revert back to AM? Is that why he's run his contract down? Or is he just looking for an easy move and a big pay day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
If he is happy in that deeper role, then he could be walking into a dream coaching setup for him here if Arteta gets the job, and he's possibly looking at Cazorla as one of his assistants - won't find too many better mentors than that. There was even talk of Arteta wanting to bring Alonso in as an assistant, as they're BFFs or something!
Of course the big shame here is that Jack should probably have made that same switch as soon as he broke into the first team - feels like he's wasted his career holding out for the number 10 role.
Who is this Ryan Sessegnon kid? Championship player of the year at 17 is quite impressive.
Our left side could do with an upgrade, maybe worth a punt? He sounds like another Bale in the making.
In the old days, we’d have turned him into Feo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Really worried about both the Sokarities & Leno rumours, especially the later.
Apparently we're going to pay about 15 million for Sokarits who's in the final year of their contract, who's getting old and has been shit for the past few year. I suppose the only thing to say is that with both Per & Kos effectively no more we desperately need some experience at the back ...... but still. Shows you how bad it was getting rid of Gabriel.
And everyone I've spoken to who watches Bundesliga quite regularly says that Leno is shit. Honestly wouldn't mind taking a punt back on Fabianski or even sticking with Cech for another season than this guy.
He's really good though I don't think we could get him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It'd be an us getting Theo from Southampton situation except even worse given current prices and the fact they'll be competition.
This is why Wenger was incredible for the majority of his tenure. Ferguson never had this problem of finding unknown players, he could just buy the best young talents. It seems Kroenke won't give us £100m+ to play with (which is the absolutely minimum needed to be competitive for CL places), so it makes sense that we made such a big effort to get Mislintat. Sven hardly missed the mark for Dortmund; signed unknown gems who became great. Although, the current Dortmund bums we're linked with appears to be a bit silly. We need technical ability back; blow the budget (inc. selling Ramsey for £40m) on a top class CM. Isco, if there's a hope in hell. It not, take a punt on Grealish who has been incredible playing box to box for Villa.
Phenomenal talent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JVKL3JIUwo
Not a problem - just stand mad Jens behind our goal on match days until he's not shit. I find nothing keeps you focussed quite like a healthy fear of having your face stoved in with your own water bottle.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
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Originally Posted by Syn
Dortmund's only real problem was not being able to keep hold of the players that they found, so they were rarely able to gain any traction from year to year when building teams. Worse, their best players usually ended up going to their biggest rivals!
Hopefully our Dortmund 2.0 project (if that's what it is) will have a little more financial muscle behind it, and we'll be better equipped to resist moves for our players in future. Plus, the more we can save through clever scouting and solid development, the more we'll be able to chuck at genuinely big moves when we need to.
Agree with all of this!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
It concerns me that we seem to be going for a lot of players in their late 20's. Sokratis isn't even a great CBr...he had a couple of very good seasons at Dortmund but has been very average for two seasons now, I really don't get why we are going for him. It worries me....
Same with Leno, he was touted as the natural successor to Neuer when he first broke through but he has stagnated for a good few seasons now. He makes a helluva lot of mistakes too, don't want him!
That Sessognon kid is out of our reach, City and United are apparently scrambling for his signature, he will go for a lot of money IMO, looks a real talent.
We’re not in a great space for transfers. We never have been to be honest but you sum it up in your post. The high profile players will cost too much and most likely go to the bigger CL clubs so we’re having to take risks. It’s question of whether we can find those unglamorous players, polish them up and get them looking like world beaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Not too far off to how we got players like Bergkamp, Overmars and Henry. We’ll have to take risks on players with blemished CV’s but may turn out to be top quality and just need a change of environment.
Re: Sokratis, I'm wondering if we're (at least partly) looking at him as one of those Remi-Gardesque signings that you bring in when you're trying to implement new standards, and want to let the other players know how shit is going to be done in training from now on? We certainly need an injection of experience somewhere at the back with Kos and Merts gone, and Mustafi doesn't seem to add much beyond chaos?
There's a massive job to do on the back 5. Maybe the first step they are trying is to get solid, if unspectacular, and cheap journeymen in that haven't been exposed to Wenger's defensive weirdness and make a start there. Shoring things up. And then reintroduce our prospects like Chambers and Holding in the proper manner and over time.
Couple this with the Arteta appointment and this seems to be more about undoing the Wenger era rather than pressing on to the next one. And maybe it's necessary. We could be seeing many departures in the summer.
This could also be about getting the wage bill in control, or realigned, where average players on big money are replaced by average players on realistic money. That too would be a sensible move it it frees up cash on the wage bill, which is another factor in determining summer activity. No point having transfer budgets if you can't afford the wages.
This is a new kind of waiting period I guess. We'll know soon enough, the pre-season will come around quickly, especially with the world cup to boredistract us.
IMO we shouldn't be messing about, we should be bringing in quality players now to create a strong spine to the team, keeper wise, Oblak, if he cost 70 million he cost 70 million, at the end of the day he'll be there for years and we've seen the difference a top keeper makes.
Likewise CB and DM, I'd sell off the likes of Mustafi, Xhaka, Welbeck, Cech, Chambers (he's a no hoper IMO), Iwobi, I'd even consider selling Bellerin to raise funds. This signing ageing players is a false economy, buy cheap buy twice as they say, just look at Aubameyang, he's come in for big money but scored plenty already.
We've been buyig 2nd rate players for years and that's one of the reason we are where we are.
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Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Thing is you're not going to polish ageing players, they are what they are, the likes of Bergkamp and Overmars we top notch, they'd shown that, they were just having a rough time at their new clubs at the time, the players we're being linked with don't fit into that category tbh.
Got to admit if this stuff is true and we're going for Arteta and then looking at the likes of Leno and Sokratis it's a bit disappointing, real chance for a fresh start and instead of trying to build a team we're just trying to bring in players who you just know aren't the answer (as we were with Wenger).
Makes sense. The immediate problem we have with the defence is that we can't actually say with any certainty just how good / bad any of the individuals are because they haven't been playing with any real plan or structure. First job is going to be get that plan and structure in place, maybe augment it with a couple of solid, old pros to shore things up, as you suggest, and then run with it for a few months so we can see what we're really dealing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I guess one thing we have working in our favour at the moment is that City and Pep are so dominant right now that we can afford to take a bit of time to assess things properly without it really costing us anything. We're already out of the top 4 so that can't get much worse, and we're unlikely to topple City straight away, so might as well use this time to get some new foundations in place while we have it...
This! :gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It makes no sense to have to go through some kind of transistion again in a few years time when a lot of our best players will be in their 30's!
We should be targeting players in their early to mid 20's to supplement some of the experience we currently have, experience as in (Kos, Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhi, Auba etc).
Not sure this a team transition this time, it's a transition for everything else at the club. New people everywhere, a whole new philosophy (hopefully). Winning teams aren't just chucked together, managers like Pep and Klopp have spent time getting their backroom together as well as the team on the pitch. And both are enjoying the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
To expect us to go from the Wenger era (where he had a say in literally everything) to the post Wenger era (where the whole model for the club seems to be changing) is a big ask. What I have seen so far I like. Proper people coming into key roles. The manager's role becoming a coaching role. The CEO actually running shit and making decisions. Like the grown ups do. I'm okay with a transitional season because we're literally rewriting Arsenal Football Club, which had come very close to being Arsene FC.
I honestly don't think it matters who we sign or don't sign at this stage. I'm very confident our game will improve dramatically just by doing the very simple things Wenger refused to do.
Looks like Cazorla is heading back to Villarreal. :rose:
Hope he gets back to the player he was before the horrible injuries.
I would agree with you on Oblak. If we could bring him in for a club record fee of around 70 million I would....he is that good. Top goalkeepers and their value has been underrated since football began. I've only seen him a few times and despite that I think he is every bit as good anything I've seen perhaps barring De Gea, Neuer (on a good day/season).Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
As frustrating as our game was against Atletico at home, I stood in the stands (the first game I've actually been to in a few years now) watching Oblak and thought wow.....now there's a fuhking hell of a goalkeeper.
Having said that, I think we are going to need to be clever as there is more work to do than money available to do it. We need to do something canny like a Chiellini, Max Meyer, Iniesta, Alderweireld type signing.....someone who's contract is running out or out this summer.
Imagine the difference Jean Michael Seri, Jan Oblak and some defensive coaching AND drilling would do to this team......
Really hope we make Seri happen. I can't even remember seeing him play but he sounds like the sort of player we need at last.
well it would be annoying if he came good again having left usQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Don't do it to yourself, mate - we ain't signing Oblak!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Sounds like the Meyer boat might have sailed now - shame because he really sounded like the kind of player we could have done with to help us beat the high press (and would have been free).
Seri sounds like he might be a bit more offensive, but then again I suppose Meyer was too until a decent coach spotted that he'd work better in a deeper role - maybe previous experience in specific roles is less relevant than the skills needed to make it work and the willingness to give it a try (Cazorla being the perfect example)?
I still think butland could be an option. cheaper as stoke are in the championship and still frees up money for the many other weaknesses we have.
I cant see why oblak would come here although he would be kept busier than at atletico.
Butland would cost more than Pickford cost Everton. Way too much for a fairly average goalkeeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Aye, I don’t particularly rate him that highly either. He looked great a couple of seasons ago but seems to have lost his way a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Pickford is another one who is pretty average, he’s solid-ish but has a “clanger a game” in him.
Leno and Casteels are the 2 names that I keep seeing menrioned for GK - I guess they make sense given Mislintat's favoured hunting ground. A lot of German football watchers also keep suggesting Pavlenka, although I've nor seen a single rumour about that outside of forums.
I'm almost at the point where I'd give anyone a go, tbh - as long as it's not Cech or Ospina...
although i'd prefer to have Ospina as back up than CechQuote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
any talk of 'Sir Chezney' still or is he out of form again?
Chesney is going to be Juventus' number 1 with Buffon moving on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Just seen that Wilshire may sign on again, was hoping the guy would leave at last, 10 years of his injuries and mediocre displays is enough for me, we should have got him off the wage bill, he brings next to nothing to the team, Southgate had the right idea when he left him at home.
Think he's realised no decent club is interested in him and that he's onto a good thing staying here where he gets paid for being injured, think we have the new Walcott on our hands.
Long gone, mate - signed a 4 year contract with Juventus last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
We need to beat Klopp to this.Quote:
Nabil Fekir set to 'speak to Liverpool following Champions League final' as potential Anfield move edges closer
We won't, Liverpool have got a lot more to offer players now, CL football, exciting football, the chance to play with players like Salah, a progressive manager who knows how to build a team, on top of that they're in the CL final and could win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Fekir will probably turn out to be a worldie, had a great connection with Lacazette at Lyon as well, but if Liverpool want him, Arsenal and their brand spanking new mickey mouse manager can kiss any chance of getting him goodbye.
I don't mind keeping Wilshere on, but it has to be on the condition that the new coach gets ahold of him and actually gives him a defined role that he can concentrate on. If I were him, I'd forget about being a No.10 - that's just not happening - and have a long hard look at this trend towards deep-lying playmakers. All of his best performances in the past have come when he sits deeper, with the game in front of him, and there's been a Santi-shaped hole in the side for a couple of years now that he could have gone after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Unfortunately, this is where I fear that he will turn out to be another Walcott - instead of seeing the opportunity in front of him (with Theo, it was playing out wide) and putting everything he has into making it his own, he'd rather waste his career waiting for his dream role to become vacant. Which it won't. What is it about British players that makes them so damned unwilling to adapt? The foreign lads do it without a moment's hesitation.
The club have confirmed Cazorla will be released. :rose:
Crushed. :(
We really lost out on a big big talent because of those injuries.
If we had a fit Santi, Wenger would be in post next season.
Assuming he played him of course.
That's two class players the we didn't get the best out of through bad injuries, Santi and Rosicky. I'll add Eduardo to that list, he was never the same after that leg break.