Mikel Arteta* has more hair than LettersQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Mikel Arteta* has more hair than LettersQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
*see most people
Good idea, they've a good manager in BenitezQuote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
Coney < Letters < Everyone Else.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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I dunno, Wenger has talked about commitment many many times and he's never stood in a players way if he wanted to leave either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
If Arteta comes in I hope he doesn't carry on with this pass pass football Guardiola loves so much and that we've been trying to replicate for over a decade, Liverpools style of play if far more exciting and far better to watch, much like we were when we were winning.
5 yard passing is such a snoozefest.
He probably will. Maybe our board is hoping that we'll produce City type football and win the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Wenger never spoke on dropping players. He'd conjure up an excuse to protect the player from public criticism and shield their confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...r-Arsenal.html
"90% certain" :haha:
Yeah because that's how you'd tell the squad of such a momentous decision.
I'm slowing warming towards Arteta especially after reading Le Grove's piece and various other snippets about some of his coaching methods and the impact he's had. Apparently he's the one that stayed behind in training to work with Sane & Sterling to get them to improve their end product.
Apparently told Messi & Sherwood too fuck off when the former was time wasting and the latter was having a go at Sagna. :bow:
It may just be confirmation bias and me trying to reassure myself now though.
Still would prefer Allegri but I wouldn't be totally aghast if it was Arteta. Either way he has my full support and he should have the support of the fans with us purely judging him on the results & performances he delivers rather than the sexiness of his name or reputation.
You mean the style that Pep just won the league with, being the first manager to reach 100 points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Or the style that both Klopp & Pochettino employ that's won them both jack shit so far?
At any rate you being too focused on style rather than what's effective and gets results it's pretty ironic seeing as you were always moaning at Wenger for being too rigid.
Did the club even think about a new manager when it was announced that Wenger was leaving? I think I read or heard somewhere that Wenger found out he was going to be asked to leave in the summer, but decided he was going to leave on his terms so announced it earlier and caught the club on the hop.
I actually think Ivan's quite competent and based on a few stories it seems he's sensibly been putting out a few feelers for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
Apparently he had a meeting with Tuchel last summer (before we got Sven) which went promising and he was eager to get the job if Wenger was to leave (unfortunately he didn't and signed a new contract - thanks Stan!) & Hasenhüttl confirmed that there was contact between an Arsenal rep and him last year.
The actual timing of the exact day Wenger announced it may have caught him by surprised but I think he's had a plan ready for a while now.
Yep, that's what was being said on the day. But nobody ran with it because the Wenger lovefest was gearing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
It was actually explicitly said that the timing of the announcement was not Wenger's decision.
By Wenger, admittedly, but I don't remember anyone contradicting that.
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[QUOTE=The Emirates Gallactico;4453639]I'm slowing warming towards Arteta especially after reading Le Grove's piece and various other snippets about some of his coaching methods and the impact he's had. Apparently he's the one that stayed behind in training to work with Sane & Sterling to get them to improve their end product.
Apparently told Messi & Sherwood too fuck off when the former was time wasting and the latter was having a go at Sagna. :bow:
It may just be confirmation bias and me trying to reassure myself now though.
Still would prefer Allegri but I wouldn't be totally aghast if it was Arteta. Either way he has my full support and he should have the support of the fans with us purely judging him on the results & performances he delivers rather than the sexiness of his name or reputation.]
That's pretty much my thoughts as well. Wouldn't have been my first choice but I can also see why they might be considering the gamble. Two years under Pep will have taught him a lot. And he must have impressed enough to have been selected in the first place. If chosen he should get our full support.
The fact that both Pochetinho and Pep fought it out for his signature 2 years ago says he has something about him.
No doubt about that. I think the chances of Arteta becoming an excellent manager one day is very high based everything that's been said about him and the way he conducts himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
The problem is, is that moment right now? Would have preferred he cut his teeth at a team like West Ham/Everton/Palace and then we made a move. I guess the fear is that we would have risked losing out on him that way to a Cieth.
Heck if he becomes a roaring success for us, chances are that Barca will come pining for him one day so it's not like we're guaranteed his services forever.
None of us are privy to what goes on behind the scenes and how people like Arteta are regarded in the game. The new regime hasn't given us a reason to doubt them as of yet, they negated the blow of losing Alexis and finally managed to get Wenger out. It's been a good start for them but now it's time for them to make a reputation-defining decision. I'm intrigued and most importantly ready to back the club 100% for the first time in years.
Good point about the club finding replacements for Alexis and acting quickly. For the first time we did what we were supposed to and in coincides with the appointment of Raul and Sven along with Wenger losing his influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Also, we managed to convince Ozil to sign a deal and have gone back to offer Jack a better deal. Goes to show that we don't have complete retards running the club and can see a situation for what it is. They had way too much faith in Wenger for way too long.
Also, it's definitely wrong to judge Arteta's ability as a manager on what he was like as captain. His influence behind the scenes was understated for starters and we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. Also, if you could tell a great manager from his playing days, Roy Keane and Tony Adams should have been great managers.
You should judge a person's ability as a manger on what he's like as a manager.
And with Arteta we really don't know right now. Would prefer someone established.
I'll judge him at the end of the season.
I think we'd all prefer someone established but this is the situation we've found ourselves in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
No CL football, a bloated wage bill and not a lot of transfer fee dosh to just splash on a brand new team for the new guy. I'm sure the new guy will have money to spend but we can't really afford to rebuild as quickly as some of the bigger teams. We've also missed out on some really good managers. Klopp would have ticked all the boxes they're looking for. Not so much with Allegri.
We're in a bit of mess. They should have pulled the trigger on Wenger a lot sooner. But I have hope that we'll get out of it. It's not too late.
At last that can be used as legitimate reasoning. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
So here's my take on Arteta
At first I nearly spat my tea out when I heard Gazidis was seriously gonna put a guy with 0 managerial experience in charge of a European giant. We are competing in a league with Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho and Pochetinno. We need someone that will out think and out smart these managers, someone with bold ideas and someone that will take us to elite kind of tactics. Is Arteta really this guy?
I have my reservations. He has 0 experience as manager so it's a big risk. I don't buy into this idea he was a good player for us, he was bang average and I didn't see many leadership qualities.
On the other hand one article said he was the brightest candidate to come out of the coaching centre where wannabe managers gain their license and qualifications, so that's encouraging. Some have also said he's a no nonsense guy and that's what we need, someone to come in and shake things up instead of carry on the old goat's colney creche mentality.
The principle of taking a risk like this sums this club up. Only at Arsenal would we choose a guy with 0 managerial experience over a 4 time double winner. If we really wanted Allegri we could get him. Gazidis has no Wenger to hide behind anymore so if this doesn't work out I hope he clears off, regardless of the fact he's the reason Wenger isn't here anymore. Enough with the embarrassing, risk taking decisions at this club. There's absolutely no need to take such a massive risk especially at a time the fan base is divided. How they've come to the conclusion Rodgers is divisive but Arteta isn't I'll never know :lol:
If the champions league game against Liverpool is anything to go by where Pep was banished from the touchline and Arteta was in charge and didn't get up off his seat once, and City conceded 2 goals in that second half, then we're screwed.
Equally if we're midtable by November and the stadium is half empty, Arteta will get the chop.
And if this goes tits up every journalist and opposition fan will trudge the old 'told you the grass wasn't greener' line, and you know Wenger will be delighted with this appointment because it'll most likely go pear shaped so he'll be seen as some sort of god.
So all in all I don't really know what to make it :unsure:
But Ivan better hope this works cause if it doesn't, he'll be next.
If we wanted to take a punt, we could have tried Marco Silva. We are like a man who needs heart surgery and decides to use the new doctor that graduated highest in Med school rather than someone who has actually opened up a live human before.
Usually new managers start at lower league clubs, not even a PL club so it does seem a bit ridiculous to appoint Arteta as manager.That said, Moyes and Allerdyce are available with managerial experience...:blink:
Good lord, I agree with you.:wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Allegri wanted £200m for transfers, Enrique wanted a high wage.
Both Top managers with experience of winning countless trophies.
Both commanding some form of monetary expenditure to take the job.
So we look at the cheap option.
Don't get me wrong, Arteta 'could' turn out to be brilliant and lead us to new success. But he could could also be shit. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking this is some form of genius move by the club as it just smacks of penny pinching and hoping for the best.
Same old, same old then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
We don't know any of that, it's all media speculation. Why would any of the parties involved talk to the media? Or confirm any of these "facts"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
The journos don't give a shit what they write provided they get clicks, and they never seem to get punished when they are found out. People keep on clicking and their "facts" keep on rolling out.
Wenger was on 10mill a year because he's been at the club for 22 years. That's pay hike after pay hike after pay hike. There was nothing to say we were going to pay the new guy the same money. Why would we? We aren't looking for one guy to run the whole show any more, we're looking for the opposite. If Allegri really did want 200 mill for transfers then maybe we said, forget it, transfers will be taken care of by somebody else. Maybe he didn't like that? I'm speculating just as much as the media. I don't know, they don't know.
If Arteta is coming to be a coach (rather than a general manager), which is highly likely, no reason to pay him big bucks because he'll have a third of the job description Wenger had. And if we want the role spread around, no reason to hire somebody who wants full control. Maybe this is why we aren't after a big, experienced name.
Looking at Arsenal's track record it's easy to say we are going cheap. But recent signings suggest otherwise. Aubameyang is supposedly the second highest paid player in the league (along with bonuses), and we have another 50 mill striker beside him. We're paying Ozil a fortune too. The money is being spent, but it is being spent in other areas. Good areas. Players on the pitch.
I'm not so keen to simply assume Arteta has been picked because he's cheap. It could still be the case, but we know as much of the truth as the media - which is none of it, at this stage.
Anyway, Arteta hasn't said yes yet. I'm sure he doesn't want to be Moyes v2. He's got plenty to think about before accepting.
I read that the new manager would have £200m to spend.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ransfer-gossip
Most of what the papers print is bullshit.
Aye, the work Gazidis and the new guys have put in this season has been very impressive to be honest, very pragmatic and none of that dithering that Wenger was famous for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I am not against Arteta as such, I have concerns which are understandable but I'll give him 100% support assuming we appoint him.
He has a lot of work to do with the team though, it's a big job to take on, even for an experienced manager because the expectations are such that we want improvement. I want to see clear tangible progess next season irrespective of who is managing the team.
It's believable. We generate a lot of money as a Football club, I never once believed those 50million budget rumours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
According to Guillem Balague, Gazidis like Arteta AND Benitez, he feels the fat waiter can bring stability to the club but Sven and Raul dont want Rafa.
also, Pochetinho told Arteta 2 years ago (when he was about to join City) that he should go straight to number 1 as he has the quality and personality.
Yes, found it boring at Barca and find it boring now at City, Liverpools is far easier on the eye, they also knocked City out of the CL, difference is I guess that Liverpool haven't spent hundreds of millions. Thing about Guardiola is he does win, but he does it at either a club with more money than anyone else or a club already on top, in the CL he wasn't much kop with Bayern and hasn't been great with City.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
He clearly knows how to win, but he wins at clubs already well established.
Always thought as a big club we'd try and get someone top notch, seems we might not be thinking that way, for me though it would be Vieira over Arteta, he'd have instant respect for a start, might not work out but for me he'd be the preferred option (plus he's one of Arsenal greatest players - Real did it with Zidane), doing a decent job in the US as well even though that isn't a top league.
Arteta has never managed at all and I haven't personally seen any obvious qualities that might make him a good manager, never ever saw any kind of ruthlessness in him either, as Cripps said he was pretty average overall for us, would be a very odd choice really.
Guardiola seems good friends with Arteta (probably due to being Spanish) that probably helped him decide to have him as number 2, like I said Guardiola has won whoever his number 2 was, so it's not like they have a part in his successes. As I said before Mclaren, Queiroz were supposedly top notch number 2s, as managers however they were bang average, sometimes think managers talk up their impact so they get some credit, truth is if you look at top managers they succeed regardless of their assistants.
I'm with Zim on this. PepBall is boring. The gypos hit over a thousand passes in a single game on at least one occasion this season. It might be clever and technical and soul destroying for the opposition, but it's even harder on those having to watch. I don't want to see long ball bombardments either, but the sweet spot for entertainment is somewhere between the two. If we continue to see tip tap Pep/ Wenger style in the coming pre-season it really doesn't matter what else happens because it just won't be fun to watch the football. Wenger's early teams were a hundred times better to watch than anything Pep has ever put out. I saw a stupid article in a rag today that claimed Pep's mercs are MORE STYLISH on the pitch than Wenger's early teams (Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, etc). What a laugh. It's not even close. Arsenal's transition from defence to attack in 10 seconds flat, compared to Pep's transitions over 10 minutes? Forget about it.
Spot on our football was amazing, Guardiolas teams are a snoozefest, when you watch Liverpool however, the way they attack at pace is quite something, people seem to love Guardiola, but in truth he's had it easy, Barca, Bayern, City all either the best/richest or both, clesrly he knows how to put expensive teams together (not all managers do of course), he won the CL at Barca but he already had Messi when he took over which was a massive help, every else so far he's failed however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger tried to replicate his brand of football, didn't work and to be honest was boring to watch, I'd really love a change of philosophy, something that doesn't involve 500-600 of passes a game, Arteta openly said he loved our football and he clearly loves it at City too, another worry for me about him.
If he gets the job I'll give him a chance but I would expect some serious signs he's changing stuff and trying to move the club forward.