Right. I’ve no idea if they followed the rules, I don’t follow it enough. But either way it was all a bit farcical.
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Right. I’ve no idea if they followed the rules, I don’t follow it enough. But either way it was all a bit farcical.
Genuinely struggling to process what I've seen here.
It’s like a football match, one team winning 4-3 with 1min to go, and the ref decides it’ll be decided by penalty shootout regardless. Rulebook torn up for sake of ‘the show’
Well yeah, and a penalty shootout where one team has a major advantage because they just brought on their star strikers.
Or it’s like Anfield ‘89 where instead of Thomas charging through the midfield the referee randomly stops the game and gives Arsenal a penalty while Dixon still has the ball before he’s even passed to Smith.
The rules are clear about the lapping of the safety car and when it then returns.
If the FIA now decide that they can just change the rules mid race to suit then, it opens up many more problems. Teams won’t be able to decide what strategy to follow next time as they can’t be sure if the FIA will just change the rules mid race
I mean, also. Is this really the way Verstappen wants to win his first title?
Not his fault but he was clearly going to miss out and it was handed to him on a plate.
Not either driver’s fault but makes a mockery of the whole event.
He's a complete narcissist, so he won't give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes but then the whole circus goes on and it stays in the record books that Ham didn't win and Verstappen didQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The FIA fucked up and i suspect will protect the decision as they can't afford to admit it
The only sensible decision is to count back one lap, Michael Masi apologises to everyone and resigns.
Sounds like the protest about verstappen overtaking under the safety car is thrown out.
That would have been harsh imo
The other protest is likely to be thrown out too but suspect Mercedes’ take that one to court. The rules are crystal clear so not sure how FIA can say they were followed
I agree with this. They effectively need to say the race ended when safety car deployed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Verstappen was miles behind so can’t say it’s harsh as barring Hamilton crashing/puncture he was never catching him.
The one lap shootout was just bullshit
It would have been fine had they done it with Verstappen a certain number of seconds behind - they could have worked that out from the rate he was catching up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
But just doing it with Verstappen right on his tail and with fresher tyres makes no sense.
I can understand the wanting to get a race to decide the title but no one can look at that and think it’s fair what they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
If they red flagged it, both drivers on new tyres and it’s a fair fight.
Safety cars are part of F1 but changing the rules to make a race isn’t right.
The stewards say the race director is allowed to control use of the safety car so they have rejected Mercedes protest.
So if race director can do what he wants, why have they rules governing how cars can un lap themselves ?
This just sounds like a complete fudge to justify the race director handing verstappen the title
Also because they didn’t let the other cars unlap themselves, sainz wasn’t given a chance to be behind verstappen. He would have unlikely challenged him but still, why was verstappen given a free run but third place wasn’t?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm never watching a race again after that - total bullshit
I’ve never really watched one before but yeah, I won’t be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I’ve always been a bit confused by the mix of it being partly a driver competition and partly a team/constructor one. But you’d still expect a race to play out fairly.
This afternoon’s nonsense made a mockery of the whole thing.
They basically handed Verstappen a title he clearly wasn’t going to win.
Salty Hamilton fans can go watch cricket. Next season will be ballistic with completely new cars on 18 inch rims. George Russell will give Sir Lewis plenty of sleepless nights. You'll be back
Just a quick heads up to the two other mods. For the next time you see this wanker throwing his weight around with his mod stick, banishing "WUMs".Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I deliberately didn't post today because I knew people would be gutted. But this so-called moderator can't help himself.
:lol: Holy shit why can’t you take a joke?
I’m not an F1 fan at all. I guess I kinda wanted Hamilton to win but I didn’t really care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
What happened yesterday would have been just as nonsensical had it happened the other way around.
Sport should be about who is the best person on the day.
You don’t stop a 10,000 meter race with one lap to go where one athlete is 30 meters ahead and then have a sudden death lap with the person who was second suddenly right behind the one who was leading. Especially if the person who was second is given new shoes or something which gives them a clear advantage in that final lap. It’s just now how sport should be.
Yes, of course. Just joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well, yes. :shrug:
We have spoken about your paranoia.
I don’t think Letters or anyone else has banished anyone in years. I could be corrected of course. I also can’t recall any recent posts being moderated, though again I may just not be aware.
When I saw Letter’s post NQ was referring to, I expected this reaction and so too should’ve Letters. That kind of joking only works between those with a more constructive history of engagement.
Rather than turning this place into a joke free place, I suggest it would be better if you guys could have a reset. Disagree strongly, by all means, but at least tame the veracity of insults, especially you NQ.
I like that we have polar opposites here expressing their opinions robustly, but the infantile back and forth insults is tiring.
I hope you guys can sort this out. I enjoy reading most of what you both post.
Like you said, you know fuck all about it. Your MO really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
If you did know something about it you'd be celebrating that one rare moment where justice is actually done - it rarely ever happens. Listening to Mercedes fanboys accuse everyone of cheating is just priceless. The world's biggest cheats, crying about cheating. They'll tell you it all came down to one lap, but if you knew anything about F1 you'll know it was a lot more than that. Ask Bottas in his dodgem car, for one example. Or the sportsman and somebody who is definitely not an anti-competitive cunt of the highest order, Toto Wolff, openly trying to influence the face director on an open mic, that's how much this bastard thinks he owns the sport. One more event from a long, long chain. Might want to ask the Merc groupies on here how Hamilton had track position in the first place - don't see them talking much about that. Not that Hamilton should have been driving at all, he should be banned for his outrageous antics at Silverstone. But all of it was let slide, he had every possible advantage, including crazy steward decisions, he had the fastest car almost literally by a mile, the initial tyre advantage which was turned into a huge advantage by dodgy steward decisions, all of it his way.
Toto, the bed shitter, Wolff decided to hang onto that ill gotten position at all costs. Red Bull rolled the dice. Latifi crashed (paid by Verstappen I suppose). One man said let them race instead of running the season out under a safety car. And the Verstappen STILL had it all to do. And he did it. You already saw the brilliant defensive work by Peres on rims keeping the Hamilton rocketship at bay. Why could the best driver on the planet do the same? I said, Hamilton will never win if he has a serious challenge.
Now I don't know WHY justice was allowed to prevail yesterday. I'd like to think one man stood up and remembered what sport is supposed to be about. Probably not, probably has more to do with avoiding the sponsor sapping sight of the greatest show on earth ending like a typical morning on the M25. But maybe.
The only thing positive I'll say about Hamilton is he was a man in defeat. And his dad was a textbook example of sportsmanship. That was nice to see. I actually felt respect for both of them at that moment. It takes proper character to avoid behaving like the Mercedes fan boys on here (who weren't even in the race).
As for Tot Wolff - well you saw the guy for what he is.
And the hate for Verstappen, just because the pre-anointed winner didn't win when the chips were down. I loathe Hamilton because he has dragged a ton of non-sporting baggage into the sport - there's a reason for it. They hate the guy who beat their woke idol because he beat their woke idol.
Shame about Russell backing off once he got the new contract. I thought he'd bowl up to Mercedes and kick some arse. But that was naive thinking. He's got a Wolff to deal with after all. Ask Bottas. Did you notice how slow his car was yesterday btw?
He tells a lot of "jokes" doesn't he? And he still defends his decision to ban those posters for the very thing he excels at himself. And I was banned for calling him what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
But we haven't spoken about your obsession. Every time I take a few days off, I come back to find I've still been rather active.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It has been ages. The board is so small now, it's more analogous to a group of mates (although in this case a group who don't all like each other!) chatting rather than a public board which requires moderation. It's very rare that anyone reports a post these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t
Fair. I have actually tried to post in a less aggressive way towards NQ. It doesn't help that he continues to believe that I argue in bad faith.Quote:
Rather than turning this place into a joke free place, I suggest it would be better if you guys could have a reset. Disagree strongly, by all means, but at least tame the veracity of insults.
Watched this like many others because of the winner takes all element. First race I’ve ever watched from start to finish and had no idea what was going on, safe to say I won’t ever be watching F1 again. Awful sport.
Pretty much how I feel. I mean, I have no idea if this was following the rules or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If it was then the rules and therefore the "sport" is bullshit.
If it wasn't and they're just going to ignore that then it's bullshit anyway.
2 stars. Would not recommend
So the race director previously said the safety car must stay out as there is a requirement of the sporting regulations to wave all lapped cars.
So if he said that then, why can he now justify amending the rules
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57...ng-safety-car/
i used to watch the odd race from time to time but i'm done with it now - complete fixQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
They are trying to argue semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
The rule book says "Any lapped cars" and they are arguing that "any" doesn't mean "all"
I was a lone voice explaining how shit F1 has become, for the same reasons the PL has become shit. One of the biggest problems has been the inconsistency in an overbearing set of rules that shouldn't exist in the first place. It's odd, nobody has moaned about those inconsistencies until now. But I'm all for going back and applying consistency across the board. Doubt Mercedes would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
The rule book also says the race director has the final say. that kinda trumps everything I`d wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by GP
I guess it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
But what's the bloody point of a sport where the "referee" can basically change the outcome so blatantly.
As I've said, I don't follow the sport. Maybe this sort of thing happens all the time. But it's a pretty stupid sport if so.
Although Masi in that article states it does mean all lapped cars. I suspect if Mercedes’ do go down the court route, they will use that as precedent etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
But the other issue is, if the race director gets to decide how to do it, why is it fair to effectively penalise 3 & 4th places who cant race as lapped cars not waved through? What happens if 4th place needed to finish 3rd for constructors championship points which equals prize money. masi effectively decided they cant race but only the front two can. That’s not sport and thats not the rules
Well. That's that then
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59681314
quitters - the biggest steal in historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
sport as entertainment instead of genuine fair competition
So masi has been sacked as race director.
Now if the FIA are going to maintain this myth that he acted within the rules, why are they sacking him?
And if htey are sacking him for not applying the rules correctly, how can they claim vertstappen is the legimate champion?