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I don’t think we will, what I’m reading is that Ammers are looking for us to make tweaks rather than an outright new offer, but again I guess it depends if City are serious about the playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Of course I agree we should move on, but then I’m biased because I don’t rate him and think fifty would be steep
It hasn’t been rejected but West Ham apparently want the bulk of the 100m up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
I’d imagine we need to get a fair few off the books this summer to make this work.
we should tell them to stuff it and if they want the money they do it our way - if Citeh want him then fine, we can sign other players who aren't so overrated
Yep I agree, as much as I think he is a decent player this pursuit is getting ridiculous now. They (West Ham) are stalling now hoping City or another club come in and gazump us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
We have done as much as we can do, we are literally blitzing our transfer record with this bid / potential deal.
City have pulled out :dQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Offer the spammers £50m. Take it or fuck off.
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Originally Posted by Chippy
Yeah just seen on the BBC!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippy
Sounds like this one is nearing a conclusion, pretty much done then aside from the structure which we seem to be discussing.
I think this is a BIG statement signing and i rate him, but the pressure on him and us to deliver is going to be immense going into the season. Add to the fact we look to have secured Havertz and are also closing in on Timber, we are spending BIG money now, we have nothing to hide behind.
https://twitter.com/gunnersc0m/statu...k_DvSqUkaQFrjw
This is dedicated to a certain poster who has become curiously quiet since he presumably learnt that his whining wasn’t justified by the facts.
I wouldn’t mind I am not minded to defend Arteta or Edu, but I won’t just twist every single incident to support my narrative.
Whatever happens with Rice (hopefully move on and leave them saddled with a player who wants to go) I think too many Arsenal fans love to parrot the media narrative which has been dictated by the selling club.
I’m not encouraged by Timber or Havertz signing but if in two weeks we have them and Rice you can’t argue the club hasn’t moved quickly.
Stan spending at the top table and the manager and crew getting the signings in before pre-season. Things have changed.
What happens when a club "pulls out" of a transfer negotiation? Do they call up and say they are not making a bid? Bit like going into Asda and informing the manager you won't be buying his beans today? Surely nothing happens? No more contact, no more bidding. And if some sort of announcement of non-intent is made, why? Wouldn't it be better to just say nothing and make things more uncertain for your rivals?
If Rice signs, will he be allowed to keep his Black Adder haircut? Or will we put something in the contract to deal with that?
Still think Havertz isn't really needed and would have preferred the money was invested in getting Caicedo and Rice (or any other decent CM) this summer like the press hinted earlier. Focusing on the midfield and the defence are good signs that our weaknesses are being addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
What worries me more is we get rid of the wrong players. Losing Partey or Jorghino would be the wrong move, we could make a reassessment in January once we've seen the impact the newbies would have. Xhaka can and should go IMO.
If everything else holds, I'd be fine.
Oh, I almost forgot, if we really wanted to make "the statement", we should be in the mix for Mbappe....then all would be forgiven :cloud9:
Yeah Havertz is / was a really risky signing TBH, he has to deliver just as much as Rice to justify his price tag. I agree, I think we could have secured a lot less risky signing for the same amount or maybe a bit more, but I am going to trust Arteta on this one for now and hope he brings out the "elite" potential in Havertz that he was displaying before he went to Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Yeah we definitely need to keep one or if not both of Partey and Jorginho around. I suspect we will let Partey leave due to his salary (over 200k per week) and the issues surrounding him. Keeping Jorginho is absolutely essential if Partey goes. It sounds like Lavia could be brought in for Partey, Lavia is a superb young player with a really high ceiling, he can be eased in.
To be fair, a window of Rice, Havertz, Timber and Lavia is about as good as you are going to get for any top PL team let alone us. It's shaping up to be a great window and really exciting time to be an Arsenal fan.
The squad should be strong enough for another PL challenge and respectable run in CL.
I don't think there's any question of letting Jorginho go, he's got one year of an 18-month contract left, we'll have him serve it as he's been very useful and then he'll probably go
Partey is a strange one, if we are looking to sell him either we have some information about his injury status or legal status
Yeah in terms of his fitness I don’t think that was really an issue last year. Think he only missed 4 or 5 league games.
I imagine it’s to do with the fact his contract is up next year and at 30 years old I’m not sure offering him another couple of years on his salary fits in with the strategy the club has shown regarding contracts and transfers. It would explain the Lavia interest as he would be a direct replacement.
I’d rather he stayed for another year but money does need to be coming back in to the club one way or another. Our net spend in recent years is huge.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah that seems like a laudable explanation in fairness
I think it's his wage HCZ and the fact that he is getting near to the end of his contract as MO said. It makes no sense to stack the squad full of 200k per week players, we don't have the budget, so letting Partey leave is most likely more financial than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I think we will be OK with a Midfield that consists of Rice, Jorginho and Lavia (assuming he comes in for Partey), oh and Elneny!!! With the likes of Odegaard, Havertz, ESR & Vieira occupying the offensive positions.
The squad rebuild is more or less complete if we secure all the remaining targets. It will be just a case of stacking it up a bit more going forward with quality depth options.
Speculating here but Rice AND Caciedo was a non starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
It looks like Arteta wants to move to a more progressive CM 3 with one dedicated holding player and 2 more attacking players (as opposed to 1DM, 1cm Xhaka and 1am). The Timber purchase makes this viable as he can invert when Zinchenko isn't there, so there's no need to change the system when Zinchenko is out.
Rice
Odegaard Havertz
Saka Jesus Martinelli
Will be his preferred starters.
I still rate Partey above Rice and Trossard above Saka, but no Xhaka is an automatic game changer.
I'd be happy to sell Partey, though ideally for Caicedo
Partey has become less reliable, he may have been able to get out onto the pitch most of the time but i'm not convinced he was 100% some of the time, plus he started fucking up on a regular basis, by the end of the season i was heavily in favour of Jorginho starting over him, though partly because Jorg played very well
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Originally Posted by Mac76
Don’t disagree….my issue is more that Rice seems to be his replacement and I think that’s a downgrade on Partey as he can’t play through the press. Caicedo would definitely have been an upgrade
If Rice is Partey's replacement and Havertz Xhaka's replacement then we will most definitely adjust our tactics, they are not like for like replacements. We will still press high but in a different way I assume. For all the flak we give Xhaka, he did contribute defensively last season, I can't see Havertz doing that at all or not the same as Xhaka so that will mean the team has to adjust somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
I think this narrative of Partey fuckin up on a regular basis is pretty baseless, man. Which games was he shit in? He made the mistake against West Ham but the was followed up by typical Gabriel rashness and an unmerited penalty. He was woeful against Man City, but he wasn't close to being the worst arsenal player on the pitch. When else was he so poor? He did seem to become a bit of a lightening rod, which never made sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Jorginho is a reliable water carrier/ball mover. No more than that, for me.
Rice is more overpriced than an iPhone. Ridiculous amount to pay for an overhyped Jordan Henderson IMO. Rather we have gone for Caceido..
Havertz confirmed, that is.
Deal agreed for Rice
Crazy money and Arsenal are fools to pay that much.
The world has gone mad.
Totally agree on all counts, including the iPhone bit - same goes for anything sold by Crapple, it's sad to see so many losers paying through the nose to try to make themselves trendy, it's pathetic reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I’ve had an iPhone of one description or another for almost 15 years, couldn’t give a fuck about trendy I just find it functionalQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
That and I enjoy that the metal comes from conflict mines and child labour
Kind of agree 100% with this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
Not the best comparison, but I hope we don't end up with a Cesc/Vieira situation.... Partey's early season form was practically universally lauded by pundits across board as being jaw dropping...and the dropoff was also clearly noted and intertwined with our collapse. I'm not saying he was the only one, as Saka did the exact same thing but few are calling for his head (youth on his side though).
I don't think Partey is finished, Simone made the same mistake
(IMO ) and I don't think Atleti have been that solid since he left (they did win the league that season though).
Oh well, lets see how things pan out, I mean with over £200m spent already we'll probably be spectators from now on.
Havertz done. Rice next.
Blimey.
Add Timber to that and it’s over 200m spent.
Huge backing for Arteta here. Let’s hope next season lives up to the billing.
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...helsea-for-65mQuote:
The Gunners won both league meetings between the two sides last season, and beat the Blues five out of six times since Havertz moved to Stamford Bridge in 2020.
I think Sky is trying to tell us something :lol:
Partey's the shittiest player I've seen at Arsenal in years. If Rice is a downgrade then the club is neck deep in the bad stuff. He can't possibly be a downgrade. Why would you say that? I've watched him play and always thought he was a bit scrappy and random but at least got stuck in. Partey is the opposite, he excels in being nowhere that might put him under the slightest pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Yeah this is shaping up to be a huge window for us. We can debate all we want about the fees but securing Rice and Havertz this early is really impressive TBH, both quality players. Timber deal seems very close too. Another quality player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Arteta and the team under big pressure next season, a title challenge and a respectable CL run.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You do know I already believed you when you’ve said that you don’t watch Arsenal much
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Originally Posted by selassie
Well I suspect the one thing Arteta doesn’t lack is self confidence, but yeah don’t know if KSE are just after money from champions league qualification or whether they want to see genuine returns on their investment (a lot of money after all was put in to get the Rams the Super Bowl) so hopefully there is significant pressure on him to win stuff.
Surely they must want to see some sort of return on their investment? Arteta has now spent an absolute fortune rebuilding the squad. He has done a great job of the rebuild so far, and I personally rate him as a Coach, but after the investment this summer with the way the squad is shaping up, we should be competing for the major prizes, I don't think scraping top 4 with this investment will wash, not even with the Kroenke's.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
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Originally Posted by selassie
Well will agree to disagree on rating him as a coach or thinking he’s done a good job on the rebuild
But as I say you’d certainly hope Kroenke is expecting something back, the money we are spending and uncertainty over Guardiola’s long term future means we really should aim to win the title in the next two-three seasons (especially as the Arab oil money will see to it that no will get near Man City, United and Newcastle after that)