Yep, seems to love the club which is good to see, if he does move it won't be something he easily decides tbh. I think he'll stay tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
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Yep, seems to love the club which is good to see, if he does move it won't be something he easily decides tbh. I think he'll stay tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
And leave on a Bosman when his contract expires? :faint:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
http://news.arseblog.com/2012/02/van...edium=facebookQuote:
Every time anyone who isn’t an Arsenal fan mentions Robin van Persie they bring up two things:
1 – What an excellent player he is, scoring all those goals and what have you.
2 – How he’s certain to leave Arsenal in the summer because he’s an excellent player, scoring all those goals and what have you.
Last week the skipper reiterated his stance on his new contract. All along he’s said he’ll discuss it with the club in the summer, but despite telling us what we already knew, many journalists and news organisations used this as an excuse to bring up point 2. Again. Ad infinitum.
However, Robin has hinted that his preference would be to stay with a club he clearly has real affection for. Of course we have to accept the fact that lack of Champions League football next season might well influence his decision, but it’s not as cut and dried as everyone seems to think.
Speaking to the Dutch press about Arsenal, Robin said, “I have been there for eight years and I’m proud. At the end of the season I will it down with the trainer and the president. Then we make a cup of coffee all together.
“I am a true Gunner. I love this club and that’s no secret. We will soon talk about many things. I do quite often with the trainer anyway. Only later on is the president there.”
Let us hope that this is a cup of coffee of love, of commitment, of hope, of ambition and, most importantly, a cup of coffee so large that it takes him 4 years to drink it.
For now, let’s focus on winning games, Robin’s contract and coffee can wait until summer, and maybe a few people will be eating their words like Amaretto.
RVP :bow:
He scores when he wants.
He scores when he waaaaaaaants...
Well, I think that is a great bargaining chip for him and if reports are to be believed (yeah, OK, I know) he seems to want to pressure them into getting decent signings in. If that is the case then (i) that's great and (ii) if they do get some decent players to help, we might actually win enough and look like winning more enough for him to want to stay anyway. And if they don't bring in other players to help win things, he'd be justified in using his Bosman to go pretty well wherever he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Verminator
I'm not saying he's not ambitious but he is fully in his comfort zone here. Some players couldn't handle the captaincy and couldn't perform carrying the expectations of being the main man, but he's thriving on it and really enjoying it. You can see that. I don't think you could say that for Cesc last year or even Henry in '07.
From his interviews, it seems to me that he also carries that crazy Dutch gene and is a bit eccentric. Not in the crazy Jens way but it's hard to explain. I don't know what that has to do with anything.
Fuck it, he'll pen a 5 year contract at the end of the season, stay beyond that and retire here. Can't expect him to remain at this level for too much longer but he'll still be awesome considering his game isn't based on pace or power like Henry's or Drogba's.
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Originally Posted by Syn
I'd bet my house on it that he watches DB10 videos in bed at night, and wants to emulate him.
What better way than to do it with the grace and class of Dennis.
Yeah, I think he will want assurances from the club before signing, this is the most important contract of his career so you can't blame him for wanting to get the decision right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
If there is any indication he won't sign, we need to sell him, just like Nasri. We can't afford to lose our best player, but let alone on a bosman.
Depends on your definition of decent. I think by now we know that trying to pressure the management to buy doesn't work.
It didn't work with Henry, it didn't work with Fabregas and it won't work with Rvp. I'm specifically thinking of Trezeguet/Alonso and I probably remember some non-specific instances as well.
The wishes of your star player are all very well, but when weighed against the various circumstances, considerations and limitations surrounding our transfer dealings I doubt that it enters their minds too much.
Offer enough money and he'll sign. But if he doesn't, I'm not so sure we should sell. We got £25m for Nasri purely because he was willing to stay in England. Nobody seriously expects Van Persie to stay in England if he decides to leave Arsenal - Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milan, Bayern whoever...they won't pay more than around £20m for a player who's 29 and in the last year of his contract. If that's the case, we might as well tell him to give us one more year and let him go on a free; not only to aid the development of the team and key young players like Wilshere and Oxlade who might be preparing to take over, but because Robin might single-handedly drag us into a CL spot - like this year - which makes up the difference of the £20m+ anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
From the fans' perspective, I guess we all want him to stay next year even if he doesn't sign a contract. Whether we lose him for £25m or £0, it only seems to go towards presenting some healthy profit figures. And we don't have to worry about selling any other big-money names because none would be left.
I was hesitant to admit it at first - especially when we were on that run of 8 league wins out of 9 games when the whole team was putting in a good shift - but if we reach 4th this season, it will be purely because of Van Persie. I don't think, in our recent history, there has ever been a case of one player so transparently carrying the team. Cesc in 09/10, I guess you could make a case for, but I think he had a good team supporting him. Van Persie has pushed us up around 6-8 league positions IMO. Yes it's easy to measure a striker's contribution as opposed to a defender like Koscielny who has also been superb, but still. The club would have to listen to Van Persie's demands because the club is so reliant on him. Money's always the main factor though - add on Arshavin's wages (which should near enough double Robin's) and he'll be happy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Yup, He's going to get broken by some GHEL tomorrow night anyway, we should cash in today.
I'm not sure how healthy it would be for the team to play the season knowing their captain and talisman is leaving at the end. Also the impression I got from the clubs finances and hearing Gazidis talk, is that whilst money is available a lot of it is tied up in the week to week running of the club. We spend what we earn and I feel that 25m will be needed if the worst happens and he does leave. Worth baring in mind Arsenal need to sign a good few players regardless of whether RVP stays or not, and we can't ignore financial loss in the same way City can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
he might well love the club but after Real do the league and european double this year and then approach him in the summer he will be off. I can just imagine his toothy little face as he says to Uncle Arsene "I will stay if you invest in the squad with real quality players" and then it gets to the 15th of August and the only new signings we have are Wilshere coming back from injury and the return of Denilson...
He probably wanted out in the summer past but we charmed him with the armband as we did Cesc the year before and when we got an Extra year out of Henry and Vieira before that.
Awesome players, good man but he wont win anything here.
There is no doubting his importance, but is he deemed so important that the club would do what it took to keep him? I think both scenarios represent problems to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
1) Double his wages.
For this to happen Arsene must swallow his egalitarian principles, but there is precendent. Henry was paid a massive wage in his last season.
Gazidis must then deal with the backlash within the rest of the squad. Those demanding concomitant wage increases need to placated or shipped out. It's hard to know exactly how big this backlash would be. Maybe the more inportant question is 'How much of a backlash are the board willing to risk?'.
Really, to rebalance the wage structure will require a huge clear out. Overpaid players won't accept pay cuts and are difficult to shift. Gazidis has spoken before about needing to 'trim the fat' so they do see the need to find more efficiency in the wage bill.
2) Invest in decent additions.
Again it's our wage structure which hampers us here as well as our willingness to fee large fees. I reckon without this stumbling bloack we would have Juan Mata right now.
As noted on Swiss Ramble, £50m pretty much buys you 1 £25m player on £100k a week. Beyond that we need to sell to buy. That's if Wenger would even be up for spending that. (Note, a £25m player is just my version of what I reckon a guy like Rvp would consider 'decent'.)
Thirdly, Rvp's version of decent might not necessarily match with Wenger's definition. Irrespective of how they've turned out, most of Wenger's signings have been, at first glance, underwhelming.
Yossi Fucking Benayoun?? Or words to that effect.
Theres no other single player who's anywhere near as important to us as RVP, so who else would moan that he's getting a huge pay increase (maybe double)?
Nicely put.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
The bit that interests me is the clear out bit.
Clearly we have a number of players on "too much". What we have to do is stop the cycle with the newly promoted squad players. The likes of Afobe, coq and the like, players who may well be the back up, should be on wages befitting them.
The big bucks can then be chucked at the players who merit it, and perhaps as tempters for players coming in.
Will be interesting to see who departs.
Everyone was talking about Tomas Rosicky being shipped out. Fuck me, if he plays like he did on Sunday every week, I'd rather keep him thanks!!
Did he play that waht because he us trying to negoatiate a new contract and once he gets it will he go back and be frustating again. Half of me wants to Keep, him because of how he played the other half thinks we be better lettimg him go with the dead wood and bringing in a hazard or Gotze.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I dont think people appreciate just how much dead wood we have and the cost of keeping them around for the rest of their contracts. Would be far better to just negotiate a pay of and get rid of the twats. Some will go on free transfers, the likes of Almunia and Vela will always have clubs willing to sign them its the ones with the attitude we may struggle to shift, like Bendtner and Denilson.
Nice in theory. But we're talking about young men with more cars than brain cells here. A proper sense of humility and proportion isn't likely to override a sense of greed. And even if it does, you can be sure that their agents will be taking note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dog Toffee
Besides, like I said, it's not so much about who and how many would moan as who the board are willing to risk moaning.
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Originally Posted by Flavs
Yep, problem is what if players like Bendtner refuse it then what do you so. For me its this giving players long contracts that have really messed us up.
Terminate their contracts obviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ffer-RVP-scare
4th place :rose:
Even if its not just the international friendly injury game being played it doesn't matter, Park will be over his waiting period now and will come in and bang a hat-trick at the scouseQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Question is... is he over his wanting period?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...s-RVP-interestQuote:
Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has confirmed his interest in Robin van Persie - but believes the Arsenal captain will remain with the Gunners.
The 28-year-old, who has netted 32 goals for the north London club this season, is out of contract at the Emirates Stadium in 2013 and has put talks over a new deal on hold until the summer.
Mancini would love to sign Van Persie if he became available, but does not think that will happen.
The Italian said: "We are interested in all good players. This is normal, but not only us. I think all the good teams are interested in Van Persie.
"I think Van Persie at this moment is one of the best strikers in Europe with [Lionel] Messi, [Cristiano] Ronaldo and with Sergio [Aguero] and Mario [Balotelli].
"I think he is a fantastic striker, but I think he will remain with Arsenal."
Stay
City acquired Samir Nasri from Arsenal last summer and have also signed Gael Clichy, Kolo Toure and Emmanuel Adebayor from the Gunners in recent years.
Mancini added: "I think if there is a good player who wants to leave a club, then we are interested.
"But if this player wants to stay, we don't have any problem. In my opinion, Van Persie will stay at Arsenal.
"I think Robin van Persie will sign a new contract with Arsenal because if Arsenal lose also Van Persie, they will have a big problem.
"I think Arsenal will buy good players in the summer. Arsenal is a top team. They want to win the next Premier League, so for these reasons I think he will stay."
Aguero and Balotelli have some ways to go to be considered in the same class as RvP. For all their money, City haven't managed to buy the best in any position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
All you do is make sure the good players - the ones you want to keep - get the good pay. If the ones on lesser pay moan and leave, then presumably since they are not the good ones you wanted to keep, they can piss off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
But would object to a swap deal if RVP had his heart set on leaving and one those players really wanted to play for us? I know I wouldn't. 12 months ago, RVP wasn't on anybody's hitlist. On the reverse, if you had heard we were in negotiations for either Aguero or Balotelli, I doubt you'd have made such a statement. They're both good strikers but RVP towers above everyone at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It would be nice to think it would be that easy, but all the devils are likely to be in the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
Most feel our wage bill is already too high. At the end of the season we will have contract re-negotiations and step-up clauses to service in addition.
Profits other than player trading are negligible.
So with all the money in our wage bill already committed we would need to free up cash to consider pay rises to the better players. Since paycuts are out of the question, this means sales, that's IF we can shift these high earning shitbags.
I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm saying it's problematic. Still, I guess Gazidis has to do something to justify his 600k bonus.
The fact he compared them to Messi and Ronaldo is shocking in its self tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wouldn't want Balotelli, what would be the point? The guy's a nutter. Augero, no problems there but he's a step down In class from what we already have. Like Cesc, if RvP goes we simply won't have the sort of resources required to replace him like for like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's because he's been playing here at Arsenal for so long and we depend on him heavily. He won't play like this for another team because they are most likely to have more match winners on their squad. Unlike other top teams, we depend too heavily on our one individual star player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Maybe true, but the guy has still stuck the ball in the back of the net 35 times this season. Only two other players can better than and we know who they are and what league they are playing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
He's found a paper of which to post his goodbye message.
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Why do all our dimwit captains become Sun columnists?
Beacuse the Sun is the best in the world at what they do