World cup??
We're paying his wages for fuck all return and he's worried about the world cup?
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World cup??
We're paying his wages for fuck all return and he's worried about the world cup?
Hope he gets back and stays fit, could turn into a beast for us if he ever stays fit.
Probably will return in time to make the world cup and put in his customary two world class performances a year next season before signing a new contract at which point he'll get another long term injury. Nah, it's about time we cut our losses on the guy. I feel for him but he's in a much better position than 99% of other players who've had their careers cut early.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
GP is right also. We've been paying his wages and been ethical enough to not try to use a loophole to terminate his contract and he's more focused on the World Cup?
To be fair he was speaking to the French media so he's obviously pandering to them.
It's best to just not even think of this guy as a footballer anymore.
What a career - millions of quid a year to be pampered in a state of the art medical facility. As far as life support goes, this is the way to do it.
Cazorla and Ramsey sign new deals.
Zelalem also given his first pro contract.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-break-3250527
From the ever reliable John Cross of course.. If true, its worth giving him what he wants. Best Arsenal player for the past 6-7 seasons.
£6m nowadays won't get you a top RB.
Put down Diaby and once Bendnter fucks off, put the wages towards Sagna.
Done.
He's not worth a 3-year 100k deal.... Bring in Seamus Coleman, he's only on a 25k and is atleast as good. Hell last seasons best right back, Zabaleta, is on a 70k.
A new contract was probably the last thing on Ramsey’s mind considering he just signed a new deal. We have a strange way of doing things. Just offer a new deal when the current deal needs extending. Why react to form and act so defensive? Are we afraid the vultures will start circling if he continues to play like a superstar? If we’re afraid his head will be turned by one of the super clubs if they offered him mega bucks, this recent deal won’t make a difference. He’ll simply ask for a competitive pay rise of he’s that sort of player.
He's a class RB, and can play all across the bac (pun intended) line . CB/LB/RB if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
£100k shouldn't be a problem when Bendtner is on 52k and is leaving.
How much would it cost to bring in Coleman? Everton won't part with him on the cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Reward loyalty ffs. Sagna's not even my favorite player but it's the principle.
As far as the numbers i can find, we are already offering him 2 years and best paid RB in the league... I would say thats rewarding loyalty, if he is not happy with that, i dont mind seeing him leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's not only the fact that he is the best RB in the league, it is also the fact that he is a senior member of the squad. I believe along with Theo, he has been around the longest. You cannot just replace that by buying some promising player.
We have been guilty of letting go off seniors too easily and I think we have felt the repercussions of that in the last few years.
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Arsenal vs Barcelona in the UEFA youth league is on British Eurosport just now.
I'm watching here..... http://nutjob.eu/njtvx2.html
Apologies if i've posted in the wrong place. It's been a good game so far.
I think you are only saying this because it is unlikely Sagna is going to sign a new contract with us - or more specifically, we are unlikely to do enough to retain him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Agree. One of the reasons for our improvement this year, IMO, is keeping together the core of our best players. As good a signing as Ozil has been, and he has given us a boost despite his patchy form, it's not enough to explain this level of improvement. Have to keep that going next year and, with the right signings, build on it. Sagna is a beast, must keep him if at all possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Sagna wants just under £22mill over 3 years. It should go without saying that's a ludicrous demand. He's 31 years old, all we'll get for the money is a player increasingly injury prone and increasingly in decline. Spend £22mill bringing a decent, younger RB in and we'll get a much better return over a longer period. Where has loyalty got us with the players so far? Diaby on the one hand, Judas Van Persie, homesick Fabregas on the other.
Obviously, get rid.
No im saying this because im tired of money hungry players that shows no loyalty to their team. He is already rich as fuck and apperently its not enough for him to be the best paid RB in the league, he wants even more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
Of course, should add - IF any of the shit in the daily bog roll is true. Which, let's face it, it highly unlikely.
It's the final pay-off of his career, unless he can wrangle a sting in the US leagues after. Fair enough, cash is his main motivation and if he can get it elsewhere then good luck to him. But I hope we aren't contemplating paying him that much. Plenty of other guys who would be willing to come here for much less and do just as good a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
New promising youngster will not have these things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
- Experience
- Know how of how Arsenal play
- Dressing room effect
- Ability to play across the backline
Sagna, IMO has at least 1, if not two years at the top level as a RB*. He can then obviously be moved to CB where his declining pace will not have effect on the team. I for one, cannot think of a reason to spunk a lot of money on a player who is unknown and who will require bedding in period when we have a world class player at home. 22 million IMO is a great investment for that.
*- Who is to say he wont continue like how Rosicky is continuing at the later stage of his career? With how fit these players are these days, I wouldnt be surprised if he is awesome way past the 3 year deal he is looking for.
Going with my gut instinct. First thing I thought when I saw the demands was greedy bastard.Would prefer somebody who doesn't have to be bribed and begged to play for us.
IF the Daily Dog Dropping is correct - which is close on impossible.
People underrate the importance of a solid wing back until you end up with players like Eboue, Clichy, Jenkinson or Santos. It's an area that can easily be exploited and cost a lot of points if you get it wrong. I see no reason for getting rid of Sagna unless Wenger has identified a key player he thinks will make a world of difference to this squad and is willing to pay the price to get him. I doubt he has and we're seeing another case of penny pinching.
We bit our nose to spite our face with the Flamini contract talks and ended up losing the best years of Flamini in exchange for possibly the worst DM option in Denilson. All to save a few quid! I want the management to think what's best for the team for once and not what's going to please shareholders.
Pretty much my thoughts on it. Sign him up Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Love sagna and would love to see him stay. Stability has bene key this season and if we want to continue improving we need to keep the team together.
However, if there is ano agreement in place then we have the money to find a replacement. Debuchy and Coleman are obvious candidates and would love to joins us. Both in their mid 20s (Debuchy is 28 i think) so have age on their side.
Nobody is trying to get rid of hi, are they? It's Sagna that is holding out for a big pay day. Another consequence of the scummy dopers like the chavs, gypos and comedy outfits on the continent. It's not enough to be struggle to compete with them on the pitch, you have to keep your players on planet earth too. Plainly Sagna has left orbit with his silly demands. IF THEY ARE TRUE. Who was it that was laughed at when he suggested the £100K pw contract was on the way? Now we see hopelessly hyped players like Rooney on £300K pw and even fullbacks want in on the 6 figures racket. This is part two of the great challenge. After almost a decade we can finally get some big players in. Now can we find a sane way to keep them? No point building financial stability at one end and then pissing it out the other on crazy wages. I was watching Draxler last night - £38mill, you must be having a laugh. Almost as big a laugh as £20mill for a right back at the tail end of his career. Somewhere there has to be a dose of sanity injected into this if we want to finish what we started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Oxo lifting weights at the training ground. Instragram video so can't embed it.
http://instagram.com/p/luaZEoOswK/#
As for Sagna, I do feel his demands (if true) are way over the top and disgusting. 6 million signing bonus and a 3 year 100k a week contract is ridicolous for someone at his age and position. However like the Rooney situation, he knows he can hold the club hostage over this matter and isn't afraid or the reprucussions of doing so. Unless Wenger already knows of a cheaper replacement who gettable and wouldn't result in a drop of quality (can't think of any tbh) accepting his terms is still a no brainer. With the title race most likely going to be as tight next year as it's becoming this year, we simply can't afford to lose points by playing a substandard defender. We have the money, let's spend it.
@NQ - I agree that the salary and transfer market has become utterly ridicolous but unfortunately it's what we have to work with.
Sagna deserves every penny. Experienced, versatile defender who has stuck by us through our shit years unlike a conveyor belt of cunts that left.
Give him 100k. He could easily have left and got 150k 2 years ago.
Plus we've finally found a settled defence, the last thing we need is to disturb it. Sagna will not drop in performance as he gets older, he's not a dopey cunt.
lol at Feo in the backgroundQuote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
i think 90k and 2m signing on bonus would be reasonable for him. it would allow jenks to develop further and sagna is top notch right back. however if he does go then sign Coleman from Everton... he looks quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
100k per week is closer to exorbitant than fair, IMO, but sometimes a little flexibility has to be applied.
Anything over that, as some rags have reported (highly untrue then), and he instantly has to be seen as another Must Get Rid mercenary who needs to fuck off elsewhere.
This has nothing to do with Chelsea, City or the other super clubs that drive up wages. This is a result of our procrastination as always. We've let his contract run down and left the negotiations very late. Have we not seen this before with other players? It can't be a coincidence. Once again we have a player wondering why he hasn't been offered a new deal yet he's seen big contracts offered to Gibbs, Wilshere and Ramsey whilst he's been made to wait. Ramsey has signed two contracts in the time that Sagna has been waiting for an offer. Wenger has been weighing up whether he wants to keep him and that's the only conclusion I can draw from this situation. He's offered contracts to the young players even though there is no danger of them leaving but dragged his feet on this deal with Sagna. Even when he's finally come to the table he's offered him the same wages as he's currently on, if reports are true. 60K! He's been on those sort of wages since joining whilst new signings like Arteta, Podolski and Giroud are earning more than him even though he's been with the club longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This club needs to learn from past mistakes and stop rubbing players the wrong way when it's uncalled for. We've seen it with several players, including Theo and we can go as far back as Bergkamp with the rolling contract fiasco. One summer Bergkamp didn't even know if he had played his final game for Arsenal. That's pretty shabby.
Some fans are stuck in a loop when it comes to these sort of things, never learn from past mistakes and connect the dots. We culled experience from our squad way to early thinking the youth was the way only to learn that we needed the older players to guide them when things were rough. We're seeing the same sort of thing this season and your busy counting the clubs money as if we have a history of investing the money back into the squad. Around 2008, I heard the same sort of talk regarding Flamini and now the guy is back in our squad with everyone cheering him on. It's not wroth losing a valued player over this.
I think he'd sign for 90k as well. That's what we usually pay our most senior players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
He's had an offer on the table for since last season hasn't he? That's what I recall. If Ramsey had decided not to sign then you couldn't say look, we are dragging our feet. Players will either accept the offer or they won't. Sagna has been saying no for a while. A negotiation is not simply accepting the demands of the other party, it's also about getting something equitable in return. It's completely fair to weight up Sagna's age in this. If we are going to pay through the nose then we'll be wanting 3 years at the top level in return. There's a high risk we won't get that and the money will be blown and an opportunity cost incurred as our options for shelling out on another RB will be limited. We need strikers, midfielders too. There's an urgent rush by many to put the blame 100% on Wenger in all these things. But I don't see it as at all unreasonable to be wary about meeting such high demands from a player approaching the end of his career. What's Wenger going to get if we cave and the Sagna fades out after a year? He'll be slated for spending a fortune on a crock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Are you happy for the manager to sign a new contract then for an extra £20k a week to take his wages to £155k ??Would you say that was keeping with the scummy dopers like the chavs gypos and comedy outfits??Or is that ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And that's not even in the vicinity of being true. Of course the insane wages paid by the comedy clubs have skewed the whole market. Why is Rooney on 300K? because the chavs are after him and for them money is no object. Rooney isn't worth half that in sane terms but the inflation caused by the money no object model forces other clubs to meet outrageous demands if they want to keep their team together. The comedy clubs have placed all the power in the players' hands because it's no skin of their noses if wages demands are ludicrous. Unless FFP is actually applied of course and there are a few signs it might be. Then you'll see the wages coming down. This is a last hurrah for the greedy with a bit of luck.Quote:
This has nothing to do with Chelsea, City or the other super clubs that drive up wages.
100% fine with that because so far the return on investment has been realised without missing a step.Quote:
Originally Posted by saintnickle