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I thought the main reason was we scored 1 goal by way of consolation over two legsQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Raya didn’t cover himself in glory especially not in the second leg, but the main ptonl
Was what we lacked not what we had on the pitch. I think his height is mainly a problem when he comes rushing out of his goal, silly fucking behaviour
It was kind of a miracle that we even reached the semis without having a proper striker and definitely that more than anything was to blame for holding us back....but there was a particular leg of our game where Donaruma made like 3 -4 outstanding saves IIRC.
Also I'm not blaming Raya either for our exit as I don't think he did much wrong IIRC, though I do remember wishing we could swap keepers though :lol:
Anyway, its definitely not in the cards for us ( changing keepers) and I also hope he doesn't get recruited by Man U (or any other EPL team) as he's really really good on his day....reminds me of Courtois in his younger years when he was at his best
Saka doesn't sky it over an open net and we've got 13 minutes to find an equaliser, even with everything else.
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The part in bold is a huge indictment and I've said it several times, especially as this occurred 8 years ago, and even then that transfer price was nothing special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Anyway news like this below ensures we'll keep repeating the unhealthy cycle and that we remain reticent to healthy change.
https://youtu.be/aI992hkl6Q8?si=SBlpT7_U2sl9r6Sz
Well, yeah. They had 82 points with 4 games to go - I'm going to assume that's when they wrapped up the title because after that they got the flip flips out and stopped bothering. They didn't win another game, losing 2. To suggest that had they needed to they wouldn't have got more than 2 points out of 12 is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
You also thought they wouldn't last the pace and weren't much of a threat last season.Quote:
I think if they’d actually been pushed they’d have folded like a deck chair
That's bullshit for the reason I've given above.Quote:
84 points is what they were capable of
Why is it ludicrous…those were hard games for them and they were running on empty. This is a side that throughout the season never won more than four games in a row, hardly a relentless winning machineQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You calling something bullshit is not a reason, it’s barely an opinion, mine is that they would have lost those games to Brighton and Chelsea anyway. I don’t think they’d have beaten us if they hadn’t won the title already either and as for Palace this is a team that they struggle with at Anfield (a defeat and a draw in the previous two games)
They were dropping points and struggling in games even before they got to the title. Losing to Fulham, needing a goal about ten minutes before the end and a favourable VAR call to beat Leicester
The team that lost in the final of the league cup to Newcastle, got knocked out of the fa cup by Plymouth and also lost to the same PSG team that did for us.
They had good momentum with more favourable fixtures in the first half of the season and they started to drop off in 2025 but no one was in a position to overhaul them.
As I say 84 points reflects accurately what that team was capable of. Plenty of teams win the title yet still are able to win remaining fixtures….
As I say Liverpool are not our concern, and if Rodri is not the same player he was before injury it’s possible that neither will City be. If City don’t come back strongly this season, the team we will have to strongly overcome to win is Arsenal. The team will need to show the character to break through the negative conditioning of Arteta, need to actually start to defend with pride again and players will have to take it upon themselves to be more direct if we do not acquire a creative player.
This is the same as last season, even with injuries, even with appalling referee decisions if we had played to our potential it’s who would have been champions. We know what we are capable of, we are a side that can win 16 out of 18 league games…something I don’t think this Liverpool side would be capable of without defensive recruitment
Plus no idea if Liverpool will actually sign Isak, they’ve claimed at the moment that they don’t know if they will go in for him again. This is almost certainly mind games to get Newcastle to lower their price by relying on the player to pressure them to sell. The type of thing Liverpool fans would go bananas at judging at the reaction to Alexander-Arnold. It’s also the type of thing that if we did it, a certain forum user on here would be lambasting us for (though I suspect it’s only a shit tactic when we do it :lol:)
Already explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Man, this is desperate stuff.Quote:
You calling something bullshit is not a reason, it’s barely an opinion, mine is that they would have lost those games to Brighton and Chelsea anyway. I don’t think they’d have beaten us if they hadn’t won the title already either and as for Palace this is a team that they struggle with at Anfield (a defeat and a draw in the previous two games)
They'd lost 2 league games all season before they wrapped up the title, and you think they'd have lost 2 of the remaining 4 had they not already done so? And not won either of the other two. Behave yourself.
They'd won 7 out of the previous 8 games before they wrapped up the title :lol:Quote:
They were dropping points and struggling in games even before they got to the title.
They had a mini wobble at the start of 2025, drawing the first two. After that they went on this run:Quote:
They had good momentum with more favourable fixtures in the first half of the season and they started to drop off in 2025 but no one was in a position to overhaul them.
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You can keep saying that, it keeps being bullshit. It's hilarious how desperate you are to be right. I didn't think Liverpool would last the distance last season, I was wrong.Quote:
As I say 84 points reflects accurately what that team was capable of.
You were wrong too. The difference is you keep on trying to find excuses as to why you were right all along.
Irrelevant.Quote:
Plenty of teams win the title yet still are able to win remaining fixtures….
Between March and April they lost three games, the PSG game, the Newcastle game and home to Fulham. If you want to selectively edit these games out of existence that’s fine, but it should be pointed out that this is what you’re doing. I’m saying the Chelsea and Brighton games were indicative of the type of games Liverpool were struggling in by this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
And with the league games they did win, they needed two pels to beat Southampton, struggled to beat both West Ham and Leicester. From March onwards that team was flagging. I don’t argue something because I need to be right, I was clearly wrong that they couldn’t win the title, I argue something strongly because I think I am right.
In November a lot of people concluded that we couldn’t best Liverpool for the title because they were too good, my argument was then that even if they did go on to win the title it would be because we proved incapable of catching them. They dropped 15 points between November and winning the title against Spurs. I’m sorry but if we are talking about the standards set by Liverpool under Klopp or City at their best, there’s no way that would have happened.
And that’s the point, that Liverpool side didn’t reach the standards we set in 2023/2024 let alone the standard of the most previous Liverpool title winning side. They won because we were terrible and City couldn’t cope with the loss of Rodri (something I also predicted would happen but you were dismissive of)
Are they capable of retaining the title, well yes but as I say they don’t concern me.