Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Because it isn't in Suarez's best interests to come here.

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Who gives a shit?

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

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Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

Yeah, you're right, best not try to sign good players then I guess.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

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That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

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Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

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That’s just not smart. We could end up like Liverpool if we’re careless with our transfers. We don’t want to leave the next manager without a pot to piss in.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

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My point is, never mind - jusr read my last reply to Ollie.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

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Unless you’ve already played for such clubs. Higuain would have been ideal. Not sure why we didn’t go for David Villa either.

Having read Wrightys article, I disagree about the Suarez bit. He's spot on about needing more players though.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

That’s just not smart. We could end up like Liverpool if we’re careless with our transfers. We don’t want to leave the next manager without a pot to piss in.

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Loyalty is dead now in football. Players want a new club every two seconds be it for stupid wages or clubs like Madrid. Contracts are just pointless, might as well use these players while we can and then flog them to highest bidder for stupid money when they want out

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.

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Pretty much agree with this, blowing £50 million (plus huge wages) on one player when we need several quality players is stupid. Whilst I want quality players at the club I don't believe you have to spend 40-50 million to get them.

He's a good player but he's not that good that we should spend that kind of money on him anyhow, that's the kind of money you'd spend (if at all) on very special talents who have huge marketing potential for the club as well.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Which top quality players will these be? They'll good players not great players. Hey don't have the money to offer stupid wages nor do they have champions league football.

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Contrary to popular belief you don't have to spend 50 million on a player to get quality and if you have a decent scouting network there are plenty of players you could bring in (despite what Mr Wenger seems to think).

All they have to do is convince players they are ambitious (and by spending they will) and that their aim is the CL/winning trophies.

not sure if this link is a constructive contribution to the forum, but posting it none-the-less.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ts-not-2114841

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Wenger said: “We are still working on improving our squad, but we have a basis of young players who are getting a chance here, who started in the Premier League.

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that bit kinda sounds like we're embarking on 'project youth' all over, eh?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think Wright has been misrepresented in this piece. I was going to slate him but when you read it in full it just seems like he’s weighing up the deal like we’ve all done on here. He’d love for him to come to the club but unless Suarez Is desperate to leave Liverpool, why move to Arsenal? He mentions Gerrard in that piece and what he said about the Suarez situation and I’m guessing the journalist asked Wright for his opinion on what Gerrard said.

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Pretty much, not a lot wrong with what he said on that subject, it's just common sense really.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Contrary to popular belief you don't have to spend 50 million on a player to get quality and if you have a decent scouting network there are plenty of players you could bring in (despite what Mr Wenger seems to think).

All they have to do is convince players they are ambitious (and by spending they will) and that their aim is the CL/winning trophies.

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Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost

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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner

not sure if this link is a constructive contribution to the forum, but posting it none-the-less.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ts-not-2114841




that bit kinda sounds like we're embarking on 'project youth' all over, eh?

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He harped on about a number of kids in the squad in some interview posted yesterday as well, it's pretty much the youth project all over again, he should stick to managing the boy scouts rather than the 1st team because that's all he seems to be interested in. Noone pointed out that his youth policy has heeded no rewards and the team he claimed were fantastic has slowly (and I say slowly because we've not been able to get rid of them easily) been dismantled, now he wants to do it all over again!

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost

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When have I said we should buy a player at 40 million, find one post?

I don't want us to spend that much on one player, I want us to spend 20-25 million max on a player so we can bring in a few, at that price you still get top quality.

The only time it should ever be considered to spend 40 million is if a player is younger and clearly going to bring in loads of money in marketing, like Neymar for example.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

When have I said we should buy a player at 40 million, find one post?

I don't want us to spend that much on one player, I want us to spend 20-25 million max on a player so we can bring in a few, at that price you still get top quality.

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What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Wright is supposed to be an Arsenal fan and as a fan he shouldn't be concerned about what Suarez's best career choice would be. We'd be getting a top player which is the only thing that matters.

Questioning the decision is for Liverpool fans and others.

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Wrighty is a self confessed Liverpool fan and will want Suarez to stay at pool.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Unless you’ve already played for such clubs. Higuain would have been ideal. Not sure why we didn’t go for David Villa either.

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Well yeah I suppose that is true, although, I don't quite think of Higuain in the same way. Good though he is and could have played the role we presumably have in mind for Suarez fairly well, I don't think he's as good. Either way though, if we don't offer the right money, you can't get the player.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.

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It's relative though, £50 million now would be like the idea of us spending £25 million before the previous TV deal and all the other ways we're bringing money in . It could be very well the case that Suarez does not work out for us, like for any player but the message it sends out I think is an important one, if we ever truly want to break away from this (previously) comfortable space of doing the bare minimum (fourth).

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

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have to agree with Ollie here. we wont be getting any top striker for 20/25 mil.

we need quality, and if the Club were really serious about making top signings that would have massively improve us, then they must have had a transfer budget of around the 100 mil pounds.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

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Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:

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Enough said.

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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner

have to agree with Ollie here. we wont be getting any top striker for 20/25 mil.

we need quality, and if the Club were really serious about making top signings that would have massively improve us, then they must have had a transfer budget of around the 100 mil pounds.

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You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

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Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

Negredo and Soldado went for mid 20s didn't they?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

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Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:

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just how good is Jovetic right now though? I'd say he has some way to go before he can be considered a top player.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

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agreed to an extent, but we're talking about players of the ilk of a Suarez here......not gonna get that calibre for 20/25 mil.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

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Says who?

Soldado has outscored Higuan for the past 3 years in a lesser side and Spurs got him for a good price. Albeit his release clause was paid but there are players out there if you look hard enough. Yes if you want a marquee name then you have to pay big bucks, but as great as a marquee name would be, fundamentally we just need an efficient and competent striker. I don't care how much we pay as long as we get someone of sufficient quality.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

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We got Sanogo for free.

I reckon that disproves your point entirely.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost

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A few years ago when we had a relatively strong squad, spending that sort of money on a player would have more practicality than it does in our current situation. We have neglected the team for so long, we need a few quality players.

Buying a world class striker and putting him in a mediocre side is pointless. For example, Sol Campbell was a world class defender and he flourished in our side. He was also a world class defender playing for Tottenham, but he was continually left exposed by his poor quality teammates.

We need to rebuild. Spending £50m+ on one player - with an unvelieveably patchy discipilnary record is no way to go about it - not that we intend to anyway.

For just over £50m we could possibly have had Higuain and Fellaini - with £20m left in our 'warchest'. Had we a coherent strategy that involved spending those amounts, we'd be in pretty good shape today.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

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Spot on.

Added to that, the scouts need to be equipped with a clear strategy. Our transfer record over the last decade indicates there is none - as far as acquisitions are concerned.

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

We had RVP the season before and as good as he was we still weren't great, the team isn't that different from then.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

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He also didn't want Suarez.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner

agreed to an extent, but we're talking about players of the ilk of a Suarez here......not gonna get that calibre for 20/25 mil.

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Again, it's really hard for us to be ceratin of that. Suarez cost Liverpool £22m. Wenger could easily find someone with raw talent that's ready now but also has the potential to be one of the world's best. You only pay £50m if your involved in a bidding war or the clubs that reluctant to sell.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

We had RVP the season before and as good as he was we still weren't great, the team isn't that different from then.

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Agreed.

We may differ on views as to where to spend that money, but I'd prefer to add a few more "Cazorlas" to the team (very good players at a decent price).

If we had bought two or three in early doors, then yes, Suarez would be the cherry on top of a very good transfer window...er...cake.

But as we've done jack shit. Pissed everyone off. And pulled our pants down in public, I would say that putting all of our eggs in one 50m pound basket, is fucking idiotic. Especially give the racist bastard's tendancies to be a dick.