Transfer News, Rumours and Bollocks Thread

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

I am beginning to think we are eitehr broke or the board have told Wenger not to spend. I just refuse to accept our manager would let the team get to where it was yesterday, he isnt that daft. Also why are we trying to loan Lucho gonzalez rather than buying him??

Strange things are going on at Arsenal and i would bet one of my balls its not ALL down to the manager as many on here would have you believe

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If that were true we wouldn't have paid so much for Chamerlain.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

If that were true we wouldn't have paid so much for Chamerlain.

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Exactly, a player Wenger doesn't deem good enough to play on the wing yet.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Well he did spend 15 million on Oxo cube and yesterday opted or Bendtner ahead of him on the wing, highlighting the fact he clearly doesn't think Oxo is ready.

He could have spend 15 million on a player he thought was ready to slot in which would have made more sense.

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My thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by Elreactor

But how much would they want for him? If it´s true, then I expect this kind of shit from any other team as well, for any half-decent player. They can speculate with Wenger having quite some money and the window approaching. We´re on the verge of being seriously fucked.

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The problem we face is that we're no longer an attractive proposition for players. I know it sounds like I'm being negative but if we were we'd have the likes of Jagielka, Mata & MVila wrapped up as they would effectively try & force through the move.

I accept that we're not in the top tier like Man U, Chelsea, Barca, Real et al, but it baffles and kind of worries me when players from mid table teams in PL don't fancy moving to us.

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Originally Posted by selassie

The problem we face is that we're no longer an attractive proposition for players. I know it sounds like I'm being negative but if we were we'd have the likes of Jagielka, Mata & MVila wrapped up as they would effectively try & force through the move.

I accept that we're not in the top tier like Man U, Chelsea, Barca, Real et al, but it baffles and kind of worries me when players from mid table teams in PL don't fancy moving to us.

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I agree, but then we've brought in on ourselves...the losers tag we've gained as well as the fact we've sold many of our best players and have not really invested would make any top player wonder why they should come here.

The policy we've undertaken since the stadium was in the pipeline has been so wrong for so many reasons.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

If that were true we wouldn't have paid so much for Chamerlain.

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Exactly, we've actually spent some money this transfer window, the problem is it's been spent on extremely inexperienced young players who have a grand total of 0 appearances in a top level league. This just shows that Wenger has lost the plot completely, because the money is obviously available based on his actions and comments this summer, but he has chosen to spend it on youth, trying again to create a second youth project, having seen the first one with Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby etc fail miserably. I have a terrible feeling that unless Wenger is replaced, the next 5 years will be exactly the same as the last 5, with young players thrown into the deep end to compete in major tournaments before they've matured and without experienced heads around them to guide them through these difficult periods.

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Originally Posted by selassie

The problem we face is that we're no longer an attractive proposition for players. I know it sounds like I'm being negative but if we were we'd have the likes of Jagielka, Mata & MVila wrapped up as they would effectively try & force through the move.

I accept that we're not in the top tier like Man U, Chelsea, Barca, Real et al, but it baffles and kind of worries me when players from mid table teams in PL don't fancy moving to us.

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I agree we're not attractive to very good players anymore.

However, if you believe reports then even Chelsea failed with their first bid for Mata.

With the players you quote I think it's more a case of us not bidding anywhere near their value.

If we had of bid more realistically for Mata and Jagielka I have no doubt we'd have signed them.

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

I am beginning to think we are eitehr broke or the board have told Wenger not to spend. I just refuse to accept our manager would let the team get to where it was yesterday, he isnt that daft. Also why are we trying to loan Lucho gonzalez rather than buying him??

Strange things are going on at Arsenal and i would bet one of my balls its not ALL down to the manager as many on here would have you believe

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So your board are fine with £15m being spent on a kid but not £6m being spent on an experienced PL LB (enrique). You say he isn't that daft, well i beg to disagree.

We are talking of a man who:
1) Let Almunia start as your number 1 goalie last season when it was clear as fucking day that a new goalie was needed.
2) Refused to pay an extra million or 2 to get you the keeper that was needed.
3) Didn't start arshavin in a major cup game a few seasons back cos he wanted to prove that the team could win without him. They didn't.
4) Plays lots of players out of position constantly despite the fact they suck at their new position (case in point is bendtner).
5) Has still not improved the team's overall defensive showing despite years of defensive suckiness costing the team in a big way.
6) Appears unable to toughen the team's mental state and thus stop the semi-regular end of season collapse.

Just some of the reasons why i think it's all down to AW. No other top manager would refuse to play their best player in a major cup game because they want to prove a point. I mean WTF?? That is not the kind of game where experiment with shit like that, it makes no sense at all but that's what your manager did.

Your club isn't one of those clubs where the board/chairman interferes in the managers job and tells them who to sign etc. The guy even had a say in who his boss would be.

It's quite clear what he's doing with the squad. He's in the process of dismantling the last bunch of kids and is building a new one.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Well he did spend 15 million on Oxo cube and yesterday opted or Bendtner ahead of him on the wing, highlighting the fact he clearly doesn't think Oxo is ready.

He could have spent 15 million on a player he thought was ready to slot in which would have made more sense.

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so what Man u spent 20 mill on Phil jones no diffrence, you have to play big money for talent these days, he would have gone to the mancs for the same price

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Originally Posted by Joker

Exactly, we've actually spent some money this transfer window, the problem is it's been spent on extremely inexperienced young players who have a grand total of 0 appearances in a top level league. This just shows that Wenger has lost the plot completely, because the money is obviously available based on his actions and comments this summer, but he has chosen to spend it on youth, trying again to create a second youth project, having seen the first one with Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby etc fail miserably. I have a terrible feeling that unless Wenger is replaced, the next 5 years will be exactly the same as the last 5, with young players thrown into the deep end to compete in major tournaments before they've matured and without experienced heads around them to guide them through these difficult periods.

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He's chosen not to spend because he doesn't think the quality is there. Yesterday, he said he can't spend every time a someone gets injured, he has no intentions of buying a new CB. Same goes for LB. We just saw Luis Enrique play a solid game for us while Gibbs and Troare are out injured with Sagna playing on the left instead. Enrique wouldn't have cost us much. £6m and we sold Clichy for £7m. It's not about quality, he just wants to certain players a chance.

I'm just watching Sessengnon for Sunderland. Watch him play. Sunderland paid £6m for him. Watch his first touch, close control, power, dribbling, his shoot on site policy....quality player and loads of value. How can he say there is no one out there when we see guys like this go to lower league clubs for cheap.

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

So your board are fine with £15m being spent on a kid but not £6m being spent on an experienced PL LB (enrique). You say he isn't that daft, well i beg to disagree.

We are talking of a man who:
1) Let Almunia start as your number 1 goalie last season when it was clear as fucking day that a new goalie was needed.
2) Refused to pay an extra million or 2 to get you the keeper that was needed.
3) Didn't start arshavin in a major cup game a few seasons back cos he wanted to prove that the team could win without him. They didn't.
4) Plays lots of players out of position constantly despite the fact they suck at their new position (case in point is bendtner).
5) Has still not improved the team's overall defensive showing despite years of defensive suckiness costing the team in a big way.
6) Appears unable to toughen the team's mental state and thus stop the semi-regular end of season collapse.

Just some of the reasons why i think it's all down to AW. No other top manager would refuse to play their best player in a major cup game because they want to prove a point. I mean WTF?? That is not the kind of game where experiment with shit like that, it makes no sense at all but that's what your manager did.

Your club isn't one of those clubs where the board/chairman interferes in the managers job and tells them who to sign etc. The guy even had a say in who his boss would be.

It's quite clear what he's doing with the squad. He's in the process of dismantling the last bunch of kids and is building a new one.

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And you know what goes on in the boardroom how, you don't even know waht goes on at Chelsea let alone Arsenal.

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Originally Posted by StamfordBrdige

So your board are fine with £15m being spent on a kid but not £6m being spent on an experienced PL LB (enrique). You say he isn't that daft, well i beg to disagree.

We are talking of a man who:
1) Let Almunia start as your number 1 goalie last season when it was clear as fucking day that a new goalie was needed.
2) Refused to pay an extra million or 2 to get you the keeper that was needed.
3) Didn't start arshavin in a major cup game a few seasons back cos he wanted to prove that the team could win without him. They didn't.
4) Plays lots of players out of position constantly despite the fact they suck at their new position (case in point is bendtner).
5) Has still not improved the team's overall defensive showing despite years of defensive suckiness costing the team in a big way.
6) Appears unable to toughen the team's mental state and thus stop the semi-regular end of season collapse.

Just some of the reasons why i think it's all down to AW. No other top manager would refuse to play their best player in a major cup game because they want to prove a point. I mean WTF?? That is not the kind of game where experiment with shit like that, it makes no sense at all but that's what your manager did.

Your club isn't one of those clubs where the board/chairman interferes in the managers job and tells them who to sign etc. The guy even had a say in who his boss would be.

It's quite clear what he's doing with the squad. He's in the process of dismantling the last bunch of kids and is building a new one.

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7. refusing to pay £16m for alonso and only £12m, when in the end he ended up going for £30m+.
8. refusing to tell denilson to track back in EVERY game he played in. resulting in goals being conceded.
9. no defensive coach.
10. underbidding for every player.
11. lying to fans
12. insulting our intelligence with a load of crap
13. saying finishing 2nd is fine.

the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

He's chosen not to spend because he doesn't think the quality is there. Yesterday, he said he can't spend every time a someone gets injured, he has no intentions of buying a new CB. Same goes for LB. We just saw Luis Enrique play a solid game for us while Gibbs and Troare are out injured with Sagna playing on the left instead. Enrique wouldn't have cost us much. £6m and we sold Clichy for £7m. It's not about quality, he just wants to certain players a chance.

I'm just watching Sessengnon for Sunderland. Watch him play. Sunderland paid £6m for him. Watch his first touch, close control, power, dribbling, his shoot on site policy....quality player and loads value. How can he say there is no one out there when we see guys like this go to lower league clubs for cheap

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Not sure we really needed him at the time sunderland got him, in Wenger eyes and most on here we had song, so he was not really a priority tbh.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

And you know what goes on in the boardroom how, you don't even know waht goes on at Chelsea let alone Arsenal.

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Do you really need to be in the board room to know he made a mistake with Almunia or playing Bendy on the wings?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Do you really need to be in the board room to know he made a mistake with Almunia or playing Bendy on the wings?

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Well mo that just common sesne, but im talking behind the scenes, we don't know what convo's they have do we.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

And you know what goes on in the boardroom how, you don't even know waht goes on at Chelsea let alone Arsenal.

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I doubt the board are the ones who identify the players that should be signed. If you are saying they are then AW takes no credit for any of the players who have come through in recent times (or in the past).

Chelsea is well known for Roman sticking his nose where the fuck it doesn't belong (Shevchenko, Ballack etc) which is why Jose left in the 1st place.

It's pretty clear that Wenger has a free reign when it comes to identifying players and signing them. The only issue is regards to transfer funds, with some saying there is less money available than is commonly assumed, because they can't believe Wenger would be so stupid not to strengthen the squad when it's so weak. However, like others have said, public statements by both the manager and the Chief Executive indicate money is available. Analysis by the AST makes the same point that we do have funds available, which may not be anywhere near the amount available to teams like City, but is still enough to get you 2-3 top quality players if you're looking in the right places.

I dislike our board immensely, but when it comes to the bizarre decisions taken in recent transfer windows, there's only one man to blame for that and it's Wenger.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not sure we really needed him at the time sunderland got him, in Wenger eyes and most on here we had song, so he was not really a priority tbh.

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He's not a defensive midfielder. He can play through the centre, on the flanks or behind the striker.

We bought Gervinho and Chamerlain for big fees. Last year in January, it was obvious Arshavin and Rosicky were struggling, plus they've got a year left on their contracts. Today, we find ourselves in a position where we have to rely on players that might not be here next year. We knew this day was coming but didn't act on it.

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Originally Posted by Joker

It's pretty clear that Wenger has a free reign when it comes to identifying players and signing them. The only issue is regards to transfer funds, with some saying there is less money available than is commonly assumed, because they can't believe Wenger would be so stupid not to strengthen the squad when it's so weak. However, like others have said, public statements by both the manager and the Chief Executive indicate money is available. Analysis by the AST makes the same point that we do have funds available, which may not be anywhere near the amount available to teams like City, but is still enough to get you 2-3 top quality players if you're looking in the right places.

I dislike our board immensely, but when it comes to the bizarre decisions taken in recent transfer windows, there's only one man to blame for that and it's Wenger.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Well he did spend 15 million on Oxo cube and yesterday opted or Bendtner ahead of him on the wing, highlighting the fact he clearly doesn't think Oxo is ready.

He could have spent 15 million on a player he thought was ready to slot in which would have made more sense.

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I'm just clutching at straws, I don't even know anything anymore. This is just bad.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

so what Man u spent 20 mill on Phil jones no diffrence, you have to play big money for talent these days, he would have gone to the mancs for the same price

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Yes but they are willing to play him, there lies the difference.

Yesterday he brought Bendtner on to play as a winger, if he wanted a winger he should have brought Oxo on, else play Bendtner up top. The fact he didn't suggests he doesn't think he's ready making it odd he'd spend 15 million on him.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Yes but they are willing to play him, there lies the difference.

Yesterday he brought Bendtner on to play as a winger, if he wanted a winger he should have brought Oxo on, else play Bendtner up top. The fact he didn't suggests he doesn't think he's ready making it odd he'd spend 15 million on him.

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Have no Answers other then, he was bought to be a sqaud player, Like with theo, and i can only guess Aw took it as a gamble. ANd id judge that purcahse over a 3 year period tbh, if he is not played that many games in 3 years then it will be a waste of money but if he does and does well then not a waste of money.

I suppose if AOC was not english he'd not be bought for so much too.

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Originally Posted by Joker

It's pretty clear that Wenger has a free reign when it comes to identifying players and signing them. The only issue is regards to transfer funds, with some saying there is less money available than is commonly assumed, because they can't believe Wenger would be so stupid not to strengthen the squad when it's so weak. However, like others have said, public statements by both the manager and the Chief Executive indicate money is available. Analysis by the AST makes the same point that we do have funds available, which may not be anywhere near the amount available to teams like City, but is still enough to get you 2-3 top quality players if you're looking in the right places.

I dislike our board immensely, but when it comes to the bizarre decisions taken in recent transfer windows, there's only one man to blame for that and it's Wenger.

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Doesn't Gazidaz have a hand in this like Dien use too, Ivan is the one who agrees contracts(with help from AW you'd assume) but he is the one who will say what wages we can have etc.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Have no Answers other then, he was bought to be a sqaud player, Like with theo, and i can only guess Aw took it as a gamble. ANd id judge that purcahse over a 3 year period tbh, if he is not played that many games in 3 years then it will be a waste of money but if he does and does well then not a waste of money.

I suppose if AOC was not english he'd not be bought for so much too.

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Still begs the question why spend £15m on an unproven winger that you don't need and baulk at spending £15m on a proven centreback that you do need. Absolutely bonkers!

And sorry, I'm not buying all this, "maybe it's the board's fault" stuff. This is Wenger's planet-sized ego, pure and simple. Won't spend big on proven talent because then he doesn't get the credit if they do well, and takes on all the risk if they don't do well.

I can honestly say Im miffed with the Mata situation, I have just read Chelsea boss praise Mata and saying how much the club neef midfielders. . .this obviously means that he is off to Chelsea. . .and for a reported fee of 23.5 mil

you telling me we couldnt have done that?

I think Arsenal bid £14mill for him, as soon as other clubs became interested his value sky rocketed. Don't think he's all that tbh.

nor are we tbh AKB mate!

I think he's one of those players that you'd get a 'meh' effect from. Ok to make up the numbers (which I guess we kinda need) but watching him vs Liverpool in preseason he seemed average. Might turn good who knows.

We need 4 signings minimum really. CB, CDM, AM, CF, each of the top quality and now that we're desperate we should pay over the odds for them tbh.

Please just buy Parker, Barton, Cahill (both preferably), Bellamy (apparently City are about to give away their unwanted players for free), Jagileka, Baines and let's give Arteta a try. All are gettable for various reasons, total cost would probably come in under £60mill and we must have plenty in the wage kitty given the departures. Instant injection of experience and fire plus enough to deal with the injury horror story we have to endure each season.

This could be done in the time we have left, all those big Euro names would take another six months just to deal with their poxy demands, I want a mansion, I want free flights back to the homeland, I want, I want, i want,.. fuck 'em. buy locally and save the hassle.

Mata is a very good player, I don't think it's fair to judge someone on pre-season really.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Please just buy Parker, Barton, Cahill (both preferably), Bellamy (apparently City are about to give away their unwanted players for free), Jagileka, Baines and let's give Arteta a try. All are gettable for various reasons, total cost would probably come in under £60mill and we must have plenty in the wage kitty given the departures. Instant injection of experience and fire plus enough to deal with the injury horror story we have to endure each season.

This could be done in the time we have left, all those big Euro names would take another six months just to deal with their poxy demands, I want a mansion, I want free flights back to the homeland, I want, I want, i want,.. fuck 'em. buy locally and save the hassle.

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I think £60 million for all of those is probably optimistic. Most of those are English and going from one English club to another, we'll have to pay the premium for them and you know we'll come in with a low-ball figure that we won't move away from. There is just as much hassle, only, it'll be coming from us.

Are we getting Kaka then? :pray:

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

I am beginning to think we are eitehr broke or the board have told Wenger not to spend. I just refuse to accept our manager would let the team get to where it was yesterday, he isnt that daft. Also why are we trying to loan Lucho gonzalez rather than buying him??

Strange things are going on at Arsenal and i would bet one of my balls its not ALL down to the manager as many on here would have you believe

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Yup i definitely think that its not all down to him, have been hearing what a lot of people have been saying some AST members, Dein, ex-players etc. What i can make out is that we did go through a period when he had no money and hence the reliance on only youth. Now we do have money (may not be a 100 million though) all the other clubs realize it and charge us a premium for players which we are not prepared to do. I think we will buy and have already tied a few deals down but we wont announce till the prices are agreed on Nasri and some of players we are buying.
The Lucho loan move doesn't surprise me neither does Kaka on loan, Hazard and Jagielka. We would probably get Jagielka as he fits the best into our defense can play CB and LB, but are just haggling with Everton whom we know desperately need money

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Please just buy Parker, Barton, Cahill (both preferably), Bellamy (apparently City are about to give away their unwanted players for free), Jagileka, Baines and let's give Arteta a try. All are gettable for various reasons, total cost would probably come in under £60mill and we must have plenty in the wage kitty given the departures. Instant injection of experience and fire plus enough to deal with the injury horror story we have to endure each season.

This could be done in the time we have left, all those big Euro names would take another six months just to deal with their poxy demands, I want a mansion, I want free flights back to the homeland, I want, I want, i want,.. fuck 'em. buy locally and save the hassle.

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I would be very surprised if Everton let us help them financially by raping their team of their best players. . . . not all teams are cut from the same cloth as us

but they do have good players that would help us out, Baines is good but I would take Felliani and Jags. . .Beelemy would give us an energy boost and considering the kind of players we realistcally are going to be able to attract, he fits the bill

I dont think there is any question that there is money available for transfers,Wenger himself openly admitted in an interview the other day he would have no problem paying 30/40 million for the right player/players.Never before has the man spoke so openly about spending money,and thats as a result of fan pressure as far as i am concerned,and its important that this kind of pressure continues.Yes its important the fans get behind the players and support the team but its also important that our voice is heard.We have seen the results of the six year Wenger experiment and its clear it cant be let continue,its early days I know but I think Wenger and the board are finally getting the message that the fans cannot be ignored any longer,time will tell I know and I hope its not just wishful thinking on my part.:oldboy:

Scouts at the West Ham game to watch Parker. :pray:

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Originally Posted by GunnerFan4Life

Scouts at the West Ham game to watch Parker. :pray:

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better than Song, that prat gets booked in the first 15mins of every bloody game. Plus he has a smart haircut. Old-skool

desperate times require desparate measures..........didnt QPR bid 4mil

wonder how much it would cost us?..........we're going to get squeezed

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Originally Posted by alexander

better than Song, that prat gets booked in the first 15mins of every bloody game. Plus he has a smart haircut. Old-skool

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The haircut is an important point which is mostly overlooked.

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

I think Arsenal bid £14mill for him, as soon as other clubs became interested his value sky rocketed. Don't think he's all that tbh.

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Mata would walk into our team easily. He's not some unknown Kid, he's an established top class La Liga & Spanish international.

The fact that we bid 14mill tells us all we need to know about Arsene & our club.