seems like it is the game of poker Wenger was on aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
our bluff gets called and we fold. . .never going to win like that. . . .get your arse back to Everton and pay up. . . Jags is the one he likes
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seems like it is the game of poker Wenger was on aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
our bluff gets called and we fold. . .never going to win like that. . . .get your arse back to Everton and pay up. . . Jags is the one he likes
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11095_7117830,00.htmlQuote:
Real Madrid midfielder Kaka says that he is not planning to leave the Santiago Bernabeu during this transfer window.
The Brazil international has been a subject of transfer speculation since last summer following a disappointing debut campaign in Spain's Primera Division for Madrid in 2009/10.
The 29-year-old spent much of last season sidelined with injury and there have been reports linking him with moves to his former club AC Milanhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif as well as to Inter Milan.http://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif
In recent days French big spenders Paris St Germainhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif have been reported to be interested in the former Sao Paulo star.
However, Kaka has continuously insisted that he wants to carry on playing for Los Blancos and has once again stated his desire to gain coach Jose Mourinho'shttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif trust and win back his place in the first team.
"My plan is to remain with Real Madridhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif and to obtain the confidence of the coach," he told Spanish sports daily Marca.
Kaka's current contract with the former Spanish and European champions runs until the summer of 2015
So thats that then lol
Thats only because his new buyout clause came into effect the weekend of the emirates cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Also, we didnt actually bid for him, a figure was discussed and they were waiting for a concrete offer, but we never went back to them.
We did bid for Mata, but as usual underbid for a top quality player and then missed out.
Could have easily gotten him for his buyout clause (which was 22M euros before it jumped to 60M) but we never sent the money over. Presumably because we weren't interested. I'm trying to find the quotes re the money thing but I'm sure they exist.Quote:
Juan Manuel Mata Rodriguez, the winger's father and agent, told Italian sources that initial reports Arsenal never made a bid were off the mark and Valencia 'simply rejected their offer'.
'After some hesitation they answered "no" to the Gunners' offer,' he added.
'But I feel they will come back. It is not over yet.'
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/footbal...#ixzz1VlF2KsQS
Wenger soon after the clause expired:
If the board was as tight as mentioned, they would not have allowed a 15M bid for a player no one's ever fucking heard of (Oxlade Chamberlain).Quote:
"We will not do Juan Mata. I don't have to give you a reason, I just said to you we will not do it."
EDIT: The money never came bit was from Balague:
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GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
About Mata: Valencia told me yesterday now they aren't selling Mata, that chance was there but the money never arrived
Its probs shit because Balague talks rubish tbh, but i agree we could have bought him for his buyout if we wanted him, i suppose like cesc to Barca he was not our no 1 target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Wenger said he doesn't want to pay big money for average players...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
What a cunt.
Why, he never wanted mata so can't be a cunt for not getting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
Mata or Oxo for a similar price and he goes for Oxo. He's a cunt and needs to piss off before he ruins us further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
It's hardly shit given that the money never came as he isn't an Arsenal player right now. For what reason the money didn't come is up for debate (whether Wenger didn't want him or the board held him back) but we didn't bid the amount of his buyout clause so he didn't come.
If the board is as tight as claimed on here, I don't see how they would sanction a 17M euro bid for a 17 year old kid (Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain) but not a 19M/25M euro bid for an established Spanish international playing for a top side. If anything Mata would be the better buy simply because he'd reach his peak sooner and would thus be able to be sold on faster for more money. Mata is also Spanish which means we'd have the pick of the world to choose from if/when we sold him on whereas it's unlikely Oxlade-Chamberlain would want to move abroad as he's English.
Wenger said he'll only sign if super quality is available and it'll improve the side. The only player better than Mata on the open market (ie available for transfer) is Sneijder. Now I'd be happy if we passed up Mata to buy Sneijder but we all know that's not happening.
Apparently Mancini has said he may pull out of the deal to sign Nasri if Wenger plays him in the UCL. That would be such an idiotic decision by Wenger to cup tie the player, because if City decide not to sign him, we'll have an uncommitted player on our books until at least January, and even then there's no guarantee someone will sign him as he's become cup tied. Wenger may act as if holding City off is a "moral" victory and can claim bragging rights, but in reality he's just fucked us over because we won't be able to sign another top quality midfielder, especially with the squad size limitations.
So Wenger, for once please see sense and sell Nasri ASAP and get a replacement. Yes, the guy was professional against Liverpool, but do you think he'll remain that way if he's forced to stay at Arsenal? No chance IMO.
have we actually paid for the Ox? Is it installments or mainly on future happenings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
I heard Oxtail-Chambermaid cost around £6m up front and the rest is dependent on future success. So the likelihood is he'll cost around the same as Theo did, given we're unlikely to win stuff over the next few years.
That seems pretty reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser
There were many different claims of what the fee was - £10m, £12m, £15m. It probably makes sense that we paid something like £6m up front with £4m being likely and achievable (plays 20 league matches), £2m maybe based on more difficult but achievable targets (plays as full england international) and £3m based on team goals (Arsenal win league or whatever once in next 3-5 years).
It'd be nice to know one way or another though. I'm not sure we know how much Walcott's transfer was, even after all this time.
Yes, he cost £undiscolsed+vatQuote:
Originally Posted by Jam Persie
Walcott cost £9.1m in the end. Southampton needed the money as they were gonna go broke (before the Billionaire dude came up) so we made a compromise instead of followin the original deal while could've gone up to £12m.
6mil and £28mil arent that similar reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies
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I remember he was on trial at Spurs and they thought he was shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunnerFan4Life
Wenger
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Hardly, he was available at a cut price amount in July due to his contract after a specified date that price clause no longer applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
Also Oxo didn't cost 6 million, the fee is supposed to be 12 million plus adds ons, think Mata was available for 15-20 million Euros due to the clause in his contract.
So yeah he was right.
Chelsea paid full price as they bought him after the contract clause expired.
hmmm so Valencia had the option to sell him for 15-20mil or wait a bit longer and get £23.5mil from Chelsea or whoever, jeez that must have been a hard business decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Also we have paid £6mil for Ox plus future clauses.
It wasn't their decision, if someone made the correct offer they'd get him at the knockdown price before the deadline in his clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
Valencia had no say in this, had someone bid he could have gone.
Also everything I've seen says 12-15 million.
I'm pretty skeptical of that clause as coming after the statement that it was all agreed and Mata was on his way it smacks of Balague covering his arse to try and make it look like he's ITK when he didn't have a clue, it might well be true of course but no-one else has ever mentioned it.
If such a clause existed i am sure Valencia could have just not picked up the phone and ignored their emailsQuote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
Like most times then tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vela
My understanding of that clause was that if someone came in and offered the buyout amount, Valencia could still refuse by upgrading Mata's contract terms. If no one came in before the deadline, the contract rolled over till next year and the clause was increased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
Other than that, there was alot of talk about bids, what we did and didn't do but not very much was confirmed. Maybe we bid low, maybe we asked questions about how much he would cost etc, maybe we didn't do anything.
In the Negoatiating room was you ? Chelsea never paid full price for mata that is rubbish, i Swear he was nog going anywhere for less then 60 mill according to Balague. The whole think stinks tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Sums it up perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jam Persie
Whoever it's going to be coming in, they better get him fast. The days are running out.Deadline day extension again? Fax lost in the post?
We need players in before Sunday, not deadline day.
What's the record for heaviest Premiership defeat? 9-0, wasn't it?
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Originally Posted by RomfordPele
Tsh Tsh MOC have their eye on you mateQuote:
What's the record for heaviest Premiership defeat? 9-0, wasn't it?
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
60M was his new buyout clause, had little to do with the amount he'd finally go for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
That said, he's only 23 years old so even the price Chelsea got him for is a bargain if he performs.
We've made another signing, which means the total is nearing ten new players this summer :bow: :bow:
http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2011/08/z...al-agreement/?Quote:
Arsenal have agreed to sign Olney Soccer Club midfielder Gedion Zelalem, following a trial. The 14-year-old will join the Gunners on his 16th birthday, in January 2013.
Zelalem was put onto Arsenal’s North America scout Danny Karbassiyoon by Olney manager Matt Pilkington last season, and the club have followed up on the tip off by first watching the prospect at the Dallas Cup, then inviting him for a 10 day training stint at London Colney.
Gedion is a German-born Ethiopian, who was part of Hertha Berlin’s academy setup before moving to America five years ago. Arsenal denied an agreement has been reached during an interview with the Washington Post this week, but the player has since confirmed he will move to the Gunners on his 16th birthday.
Zelalem’s German citizenship means Arsenal will not require a work permit for the exciting play maker.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11095_7117339,00.htmlQuote:
Roberto Mancini admits it would be a 'big problem' if Samir Nasri played for Arsenal in their UEFA Champions League qualifier against Udinese.
Manchester Cityhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif are hoping to sign Nasrihttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif in the coming days, but Arsenalhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif boss Arsene Wengerhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif claimed at the weekend that a deal was 'far, far, far' from being done.
Nasri made his first appearance of the season in Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Liverpoolhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif and is in contention to feature in Wednesday's European second leg against Udinese.http://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif
If the France international plays in Italy, it would mean he would not be eligible to play for City in the group phase and Mancini acknowledged this could be an issue.
Big problem
"For 40 days I've hoped in two days, three days (it would be done), I don't know why we haven't closed it," said the City boss.
"It's a big problem (if he plays for Arsenal against Udinese) but I'm sure we can close in 24 hours, maybe 48. For Nasri it will be important he can play in all the Champions League matches."
Meanwhile, Mancini reiterated his belief that Carlos Tevezhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif will not leave City before the transfer window closes after the Argentine made his first outing of the season as a substitute in Sunday's 3-2 win at Bolton Wanderers.
He added: "Carlos is here, I don't think the situation will change. Carlos is an important player, a top player for us and at the moment we haven't received any offers for him."
The City boss, meanwhile, dismissed the possibility of fringe players like Emmanuel Adebayorhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif and Craig Bellamyhttp://static.lingospot.com/spot/image/spacer.gif leaving on free transfers to get them off the wage bill.
He added: "All of these players have a cost because they are good players. If there are teams that want to buy them they need to pay, like us.
"I don't understand why we pay a lot of money and other teams don't."
Did Mancini go into a coma and wake up at City, because if he don't know that he has a problem.
Finally a fakeyank joining Arsenal. This heralds a new chapter in Arsenal's history. He will rock the Premiership and win us the quadruple.. no worries!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Yes I was, I had one of those invisibility cloaks Harry Potter gave me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
They paid a price Valencia were willing accept, the buyout clauses help you get a better price...players never go for the massive buyout clauses.
yeah i suppose, well he's a chav now so feck him lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Sure cos that's a realistic scenario, just don't answer any phonecalls and don't read e-mails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo
What planet do you live on exactly, this isn't school.
I agree unless Wenger wants to upgrade as Mvila is Frimpong 2.0 to be honest. In just about everthing. Strength, pace, endurance and most importantly the technical side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
A few fresh faces would be nice. Mata is gone, forget about it. No point crying over spilt milk as they see. We will soon see how good he is and what we may have missed out on. Zarate could be a handy player, may give an outlet in the box for a change. I hope Shamak would have given us this but 2nd half of last season he looked out of sorts. Hazard probably depends on the outcome of Wednesday's game, don't know much about him or this m'Villa guy but new faces may give a bit less predictability in our play. A new CB that can stay injury free and keep Squid well away from a starting berth too but I am unsure if the 3 we've been linked with are any better than Kozza. He looked decent on Saturday until he came off with TV5 beside him.