"You can't buy Class"??

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Originally Posted by Coney

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Which is not unreasonable. It was more common outside the English league before the 90s - not to say that English lads did not dive - they did, but it was more common in, for instance, Italy.

Refs are partly to blame because they have allowed a situation where a forward can deliberately trail a leg or go close to the defender so that they can 'win a penalty'. The very idea of ' winning a penalty' is already wrong - that implies it is OK to do that. (This is not the same as running into the box and taking on a defender so that he is likely to have to foul to stop you - that is legit.)

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aye, which is one reason why modern football has gone downhill.

you have people like andy gray analysing every small detail of a tackle and incident, trying to be clever about it. all it does is add further red tape to an already controversial sport. football is easy but the constant analysation has made it shite and complex. even an offside decision takes up 4 hours of debating.

i remember when andy gray was at sky sports and a controversial penalty decision was given. at half time he'd slow down and say 'ahhh but look theres contact, so he can go down'.

what utter rubbish?! just because there's 'contact' a player can go down? no. there has to be meaningful contact. otherwise this sport will turn into a noncontact sport in 15 years time, which it already is tbf.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

aye, which is one reason why modern football has gone downhill.you have people like andy gray analysing every small detail of a tackle and incident, trying to be clever about it. all it does is add further red tape to an already controversial sport. football is easy but the constant analysation has made it shite and complex. even an offside decision takes up 4 hours of debating.

i remember when andy gray was at sky sports and a controversial penalty decision was given. at half time he'd slow down and say 'ahhh but look theres contact, so he can go down'.

what utter rubbish?! just because there's 'contact' a player can go down? no. there has to be meaningful contact. otherwise this sport will turn into a noncontact sport in 15 years time, which it already is tbf.

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Ist time ever i think ill agree with you. The game is deffo not what it use to be.

They tell us Barca vs Real are the too best teams in the world and the games between them will be alwsome.

All we see is one team diving cheating going around kicking people and the other is Barca.

Its embarssing thatthe biggest game around the world ends being an embaressment to the game and the people at the top let it happen.

As for the dving here, managers do need to take control and fine players for doing etc. Refs are poor enough without having to have more help from these cheats.

And the worse thing about the english players who dive like yound their alwful at it.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

aye, which is one reason why modern football has gone downhill.

you have people like andy gray analysing every small detail of a tackle and incident, trying to be clever about it. all it does is add further red tape to an already controversial sport. football is easy but the constant analysation has made it shite and complex. even an offside decision takes up 4 hours of debating.

i remember when andy gray was at sky sports and a controversial penalty decision was given. at half time he'd slow down and say 'ahhh but look theres contact, so he can go down'.

what utter rubbish?! just because there's 'contact' a player can go down? no. there has to be meaningful contact. otherwise this sport will turn into a noncontact sport in 15 years time, which it already is tbf.

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Neville spoke about this yesterday and made a good point about. In order to get the decision, sometimes, you have to dive and we've seen it before. Players get their shirts dragged and it's not enough for them to tumble over in most cases, but if they don't go over the ref will play on. He went through a serious of clips and made a good point about it. It's not a black and white issue and to be honest, there are more important things in football to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Neville spoke about this yesterday and made a good point about. In order to get the decision, sometimes, you have to dive and we've seen it before. Players get their shirts dragged and it's not enough for them to tumble over in most cases, but if they don't go over the ref will play on. He went through a serious of clips and made a good point about it. It's not a black and white issue and to be honest, there are more important things in football to worry about.

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Refs ignore loads of shirt-pulling and arms round players when free kicks and corners are taken as well. It is a foul and if it is in the box, it is a penalty, plain and simple. The usual response to this is the same you get to players arguing with the ref - that if you enforce it the way players are at the moment, you'd end up with loads of yellows and second-yellow-reds. But players are just not that stupid. You'd have one weekend where the thicker ones got sent off after which they would see the light and stop doing it. Just needs someone at the FA with the balls to just get it sorted. Ah..... I think I see the problem.

you want shiny new stadiums, plush pitches, high quality players and all the trimmings? then you have to swallow all the crap sky throw at you. the positives far outweigh the negatives in modern football.

neville was spot on last night.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

you want shiny new stadiums, plush pitches, high quality players and all the trimmings? then you have to swallow all the crap sky throw at you. the positives far outweigh the negatives in modern football.

neville was spot on last night.

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No. I just want the Arsenal to win the CL and the PL.

Wenger failed to congratulate Wigan on their win yesterday, didn't shake Martinez's hand either. Not exactly evidence of "class" is it? RVP also was ungracious by pushing Caldwell away when he went for a handshake. I'm not overly bothered by these incidents but it does highlight the rank hypocrisy of those who claim we occupy some moral highground and are classier than other teams, when we're not. I've accepted that so don't get flustered by these incidents. However, for the "true believers" they'll have to explain how these sorts of incidents (remember Ferguson did praise Wigan when they beat Man Utd) fit into the narrative of us being a classy team. Maybe those supporters can be honest and say this "class" thing was never about football, rather it was a piece of class snobbery highlighted how we have a greater proportion of middle class, affluent supporters than other clubs.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Ist time ever i think ill agree with you. The game is deffo not what it use to be.

They tell us Barca vs Real are the too best teams in the world and the games between them will be alwsome.

All we see is one team diving cheating going around kicking people and the other is Barca.

Its embarssing thatthe biggest game around the world ends being an embaressment to the game and the people at the top let it happen.

As for the dving here, managers do need to take control and fine players for doing etc. Refs are poor enough without having to have more help from these cheats.

And the worse thing about the english players who dive like yound their alwful at it.

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and that hasn’t changed in god knows how long. the difference? you get to see them play every game now, so you can actually see what happens.

don’t for a minute think that there was more ‘honour’ between them 20 years ago.

no such thing as cheats – just those smart enough to take advantage.

there is no honour is sport, only the will to win.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Wenger failed to congratulate Wigan on their win yesterday

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Arsenal.com ‏ @Arsenal
Wenger: "I congratulate Wigan, they did well."

Fail

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Originally Posted by Coney

No. I just want the Arsenal to win the CL and the PL.

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my post wasn't mean for you