Champions League Draw Dec 20th

i remember the 05/06/07 years when we had these type of games and were complete underdogs, noone ever gave us a chance yet we somehow managed to win.

that night at the bernabeu, i remember the papers the previous day giving us absolutely nothing in terms of hope.

we had stars in those teams that could spark something out of nothing. a great team ethic and belief.

i miss those days.

They'll beat us and beat us well.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winter Wonderland

i remember the 05/06/07 years when we had these type of games and were complete underdogs, noone ever gave us a chance yet we somehow managed to win.

that night at the bernabeu, i remember the papers the previous day giving us absolutely nothing in terms of hope.

we had stars in those teams that could spark something out of nothing. a great team ethic and belief.

i miss those days.

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05 and 07 we crashed out in the last 16. :unsure:

We did have the '06 run but that's it really.

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Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas

Well, I guess having a holocaust in both games would be embarrassing.
But even a comfortablish win for Bayern wouldn't be that humiliating.
At least we're playing a team I'm excited about seeing us play.

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So what you're saying is getting beaten by them is OK really, not a bad result for us.

I think we'll get beaten, but no I don't think it's good enough that we expect to get beaten by Bayern, we should feel we have a good chance and would if the club was managed properly.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

So what you're saying is getting beaten by them is OK really, not a bad result for us.

I think we'll get beaten, but no I don't think it's good enough that we expect to get beaten by Bayern, we should feel we have a good chance and would if the club was managed properly.

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Don't say We speak for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

Don't say We speak for yourself.

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Ok, so you think we should be scraping the bottom of the barrel and expect to get beaten by all and sundry then? Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Ok, so you think we should be scraping the bottom of the barrel and expect to get beaten by all and sundry then? Fair enough.

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Not sure how you got that from that.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

So what you're saying is getting beaten by them is OK really, not a bad result for us.

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That's not really what I'm saying, no.
But they are CL Finalists (I know, so are Chelsea, and how did they do this year? :lol: ) and are clearly a better side than us.
Losing away at ManYoo isn't a disgrace. Being beaten by them by a cricket score like last year, or being beaten so easily by them this, isn't good enough.
Even at our best under Wenger we lost to Bayern, we're a shadow of that side now while Bayern are clearly pretty strong. They're strong favourites and losing to them is no disgrace.
As someone else said, if we lose then the manner of the defeat and our performance is what I'll look at.

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

Not sure how you got that from that.

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Well if you don't think we should feel we can beat Bayern, that means you think we shouldn't feel we can beat them and the opinion you've voiced is that we can't expect to be 4th cos our team isn't good enough etc and should know that .

So you think we should accept being 2nd rate then?

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Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas

That's not really what I'm saying, no.
But they are CL Finalists (I know, so are Chelsea, and how did they do this year? :lol: ) and are clearly a better side than us.
Losing away at ManYoo isn't a disgrace. Being beaten by them by a cricket score like last year, or being beaten so easily by them this, isn't good enough.
Even at our best under Wenger we lost to Bayern, we're a shadow of that side now while Bayern are clearly pretty strong. They're strong favourites and losing to them is no disgrace.
As someone else said, if we lose then the manner of the defeat and our performance is what I'll look at.

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Yeah but I really hate the fact that we really don't feel we have a decent chance, we're a huge club after all but it seems on the pitch we are small time....in the last 20 years I'd have given us a decent chance of winning everytime, but not today because our team doesn't have the heart, desire or quality to give me that belief.

I find that sad, I'd love nothing more than to believe we can beat anyone, the reality is though I just don't, I expect us to lose. Chelsea won the CL as underdogs last season, they didn't have a great season in the league and yet won it, why is it that our team is so predictable, why is there no expectations that we can pull off a shock?

I reckon it's because of the mentality of the team and management, Graham had inferior teams that beat big superior sides but the reason is they had desire and belief they could upset anyone, without that you have nothing.