Next Arsenal manager?

nah, you can hoof the ball to survive for a few years but when you have a few bob to spend then to keep playing football the lazy why shows you up to be a one trick pony unable to move on. we're seeing the same but on a different scale.

wba, everton, newcastle, fulham and co don't play superstar football but neither do they play the god awful turdball served up by pulis.

the bedding in period to settle into the prem is finished but they should be aiming to break into the top 8 now, but they never will as they are.

pushing the argument onto 'pretty football' is not what the argument against pulis is about. read a stoke forum and you'll understand.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

so you cant name any. in other words, you lambast moyes for his achievements but you cannot even name other notable replacements.

thats what i call a weak argument.

our discussion is done.

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:lol: What achievements? You're the guy holding up a candidate that hasn't won anything with Everton and pointing to his balance sheet when it's the pretty similar to the argument being made to get shot of Wenger. Where is the logic in that?

If we're going to play the name game....Klopp(Dortmund), Vicente Del Bosque(Spain), Diego Simeone (Athltico Madrid), Manuel Pellegrini (Malaga) Low (German coach)...maybe one of the coaches in Portugal...those clubs usually do good in the Uefa Cup and need a bigger challenge as Mourinho did.

Since the World Cup is coming up there may be an opening for some jobs after this tournament. But besides that, it’s worth keeping an eye on the Europa League because that’s where you can see some talented teams. If Moyes is getting beaten up in the UEFA Cup where he’s up against teams that are financially restrained as well, then it’s not a great sign. I'm sure we can find better candidates than Moyes.

Edit - Napoli caoch Walter Mazzarri. I forgot about him. Put together a fantastic team and play good football but I have serious doubts about a 3-4-3 formation here at Arsenal. But it's something fresh and new I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

more than all of those. 7th highest in the prem between 03-11. it's part of the reason stoke fans are getting fed up of pulis, because the football is shit, the bedding in period is over now and it's time to start improving. the sell on value of their players is diabolical.

http://transferleague.co.uk/

plus i read a stat somewhere a month or so ago that their net spend over the past few years is higher than ours :lol:

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Stat I provided :tiphat:
But just found salary+ net transfer spend every season since 2000... Leeds :yikes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...to-201112.html

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

more than all of those. 7th highest in the prem between 03-11. it's part of the reason stoke fans are getting fed up of pulis, because the football is shit, the bedding in period is over now and it's time to start improving. the sell on value of their players is diabolical.

http://transferleague.co.uk/

plus i read a stat somewhere a month or so ago that their net spend over the past few years is higher than ours :lol:

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Not surprised that they spend more than us. But because they are pretty new to the Prem, I think it's hard to expect them to really push on so quickly.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Not surprised that they spend more than us. But because they are pretty new to the Prem, I think it's hard to expect them to really push on so quickly.

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the prem has been around for 20 years and they've been in it for a quarter of that period, so not that new anymore. if they had a manager that bought smart purchases that done them a job and earned a good sell on value, now that's a good manager. but just sticking with the same old tired approach season after season and treading water will only lead one way in the end. stoke have established themselves in this league and it is time to push on. they are in the perfect position to do so and are more stable than most clubs will ever be. they've done well to get where they are but the days of 'staying the division being a success' are gone.

That’s a little harsh. We’re talking 2007/08. How many other teams with a longer established run in the Prem have really kicked on? Teams like West Ham, Bolton, Blackburn and Newcastle have dropped into a lower division and they’re bigger clubs. Villa are in a real crisis, Sunderland aren’t pushing on and it’s not as if Everton are setting the world on fire in all their years in the league either…. Fulham are hit and miss and these team have been in the league longer. It’s well harsh to expect Stoke to be do more in such a short space of time when many teams around them haven’t.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:lol: What achievements? You're the guy holding up a candidate that hasn't won anything with Everton and pointing to his balance sheet when it's the pretty similar to the argument being made to get shot of Wenger. Where is the logic in that?

If we're going to play the name game....Klopp(Dortmund), Vicente Del Bosque(Spain), Diego Simeone (Athltico Madrid), Manuel Pellegrini (Malaga) Low (German coach)...maybe one of the coaches in Portugal...those clubs usually do good in the Uefa Cup and need a bigger challenge as Mourinho did.

Since the World Cup is coming up there may be an opening for some jobs after this tournament. But besides that, it’s worth keeping an eye on the Europa League because that’s where you can see some talented teams. If Moyes is getting beaten up in the UEFA Cup where he’s up against teams that are financially restrained as well, then it’s not a great sign. I'm sure we can find better candidates than Moyes.

Edit - Napoli caoch Walter Mazzarri. I forgot about him. Put together a fantastic team and play good football but I have serious doubts about a 3-4-3 formation here at Arsenal. But it's something fresh and new I suppose.

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you dont seem to get the concept of moyes being at a smaller club hence the lack of trophies becomes acceptable. theres only so many times i can try to explain it before giving up. but yes he should have won the premier league, the fa cup at least 3 times and the champions league with everton so you're right, he's shit! so lets go for laudrup who has won the mighty carling cup! and been here for 1 year! and who took over a team where the 2 previous managers set everything in place!

great logic.

anyway

klopp - hope he comes
bosque - what drugs are you on
simeone - why would he leave?
pellegrini - hope he comes
low - wont come/his club record isnt actually that great. he won a cup with dortmund 15 years ago and f all since.

and did you just google the european league tables and take a punt on backing a few managers in each league? :lol: i mean have you actually seen simeone for example? id trust maccy's judgement if i were debating with him cause he has a serious interest in la liga but i rarely see you taking an interest so im not sure how you're making all these judgements.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

That’s a little harsh. We’re talking 2007/08. How many other teams with a longer established run in the Prem have really kicked on? Teams like West Ham, Bolton, Blackburn and Newcastle have dropped into a lower division and they’re bigger clubs. Villa are in a real crisis, Sunderland aren’t pushing on and it’s not as if Everton are setting the world on fire in all their years in the league either…. Fulham are hit and miss and these team have been in the league longer. It’s well harsh to expect Stoke to be do more in such a short space of time when many teams around them haven’t.

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villa just wasted money and created their own problems. they were top 5, spending shedloads and then fucked it all up. everton stay top 7, no lower and fulham hit top ten, mid table on a lot less money than Stoke have spent - they got to a euro final ffs! Sunderland have thrown a lot of money at things too but changed managers too often. bolton achieved better when with a fixed manager, like stoke have now. newcastle? well, they're just a joke, we all know that. Stoke? A healthy amount of cash, stable crowds and the same manager. No excuse for the same old shit.

No one is expecting them to have achieved it by now but to be making steps towards that. and they're not. which is why even stoke fans are getting tired of it.

anyway, this isn't wearestoke****s.com so that's enough of that on this.

they are also orcish ****s, so that is enough to prove my point.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

you dont seem to get the concept of moyes being at a smaller club hence the lack of trophies becomes acceptable. theres only so many times i can try to explain it before giving up. but yes he should have won the premier league, the fa cup at least 3 times and the champions league with everton so you're right, he's shit! so lets go for laudrup who has won the mighty carling cup! and been here for 1 year! and who took over a team where the 2 previous managers set everything in place!

great logic.

anyway

klopp - hope he comes
bosque - what drugs are you on
simeone - why would he leave?
pellegrini - hope he comes
low - wont come/his club record isnt actually that great. he won a cup with dortmund 15 years ago and f all since.

and did you just google the european league tables and take a punt on backing a few managers in each league? :lol: i mean have you actually seen simeone for example? id trust maccy's judgement if i were debating with him cause he has a serious interest in la liga but i rarely see you taking an interest so im not sure how you're making all these judgements.

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There is no need to explain because I get your argument but you keep failing to understand that there are clubs just as small as Everton working on restrained budgets that manage to pull punch above their weight and win trophies. I’ve always said the English mid table teams are pretty poor when you compare them to the Spanish teams like Sevilla and Athletico. There aren’t many English clubs that win the Europa league or put on a performance. Everton have qualified for the comp on a number of occasions and have never done well.

I don’t watch every league but have seen enough league/international, champs league and Europa league games to see when a team can play ball but my knowledge is limited and I’m pretty sure other posters can add their piece with other suggestions. With so many other strong teams out there I’ve got to ask why Moyes and is it just because you mainly watch English football? Isn’t it a concern that he’s never won a domestic trophy or had a good run in Europe when pitted against equal teams?

tbf out of the 20 cup finals between 2002 and 2012, only 3 teams outside of the big guns have won them. they're pretty sewn up affairs mostly.