Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

You argue like a woman who always has to get the last word even though its to say the same thing over and over again. The OP asked a rhetorical question. Wenger in or out?. People have voted based on seeing us not progress even though the players have changed. If we only discussed issues here that the powers that be would read and act on. Then the only thing that would be valid to talk about is that you are not Irish and actually was born in Kenya, living here on a false passport.

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NQ's been NQ'd.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

Interesting listening to the 606 drive-time phone-in yesterday - as expected, a few unhappy United fans shaking their heads at what they're seeing, but, more surprisingly, quite a few worried Liverpool and Everton fans phoning in too (really surprised by the amount of criticism Martinez was getting) ...

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Well it was Oscar Wilde who said to lose at home once to Crystal Palace is a misfortune, to do it twice is careless.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Well it was Oscar Wilde who said to lose at home once to Crystal Palace is a misfortune, to do it twice is careless.

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I was just thinking the exact same thing! :unsure:

This thread was bound to "calm down" after 3 points at Villa but we shouldn't see it as any more than a poor performance against a very poor Villa team, virus or not.
The main reasoning in favour of keeping Wenger was that NOW that he has money to spend, lets see where he can take us. Bearing in mind he's got us C.L football for the past decade+ with a comparatively low budget & that in a year where the money allowed him to break our transfer record, we win the FA Cup, lets give him the chance to take us to the next level.
The 4th place finishes are fact, the FA cup is fact, we have world renown players like Ozil & Sanchez - fact but there are other facts aswell:
1, Wenger has never been able to build on success in the past, rather than continue to strengthen with quality, he let others over take us, time & time again, by sticking with mediocre players that should have been moved on.
2, Failed to replicate a winning formula by not adding like for like replacements. For example when Vierra was being touted for Spain or Italy at the end of his time for us, Yaya was sitting on the bench at Barca (natural replacement & we had his brother to help)
3, Continued failure to buy quality where it is needed, recently the striker, CB & DM areas have been woeful & way short of the quality required to compete at the top level.
4, We have regressed in relation to challenging for EPL & CL over the past 10 years.
5, We are playing boring, predictable football that has not evolved at all, trying to play the Barca way without Barca quality players.
Some on here are suggesting that it is "better the devil you know" for the next few years as it could be dangerous to hand over the reigns to a potential "Moyes", but some were saying that before his last contract & so it continues. I would suggest that's its not a case of " Can we risk letting Wenger go" - more like " Can we risk more of the same for the next few years" - especially as others are progressing.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

This thread was bound to "calm down" after 3 points at Villa but we shouldn't see it as any more than a poor performance against a very poor Villa team, virus or not.
The main reasoning in favour of keeping Wenger was that NOW that he has money to spend, lets see where he can take us. Bearing in mind he's got us C.L football for the past decade+ with a comparatively low budget & that in a year where the money allowed him to break our transfer record, we win the FA Cup, lets give him the chance to take us to the next level.
The 4th place finishes are fact, the FA cup is fact, we have world renown players like Ozil & Sanchez - fact but there are other facts aswell:
1, Wenger has never been able to build on success in the past, rather than continue to strengthen with quality, he let others over take us, time & time again, by sticking with mediocre players that should have been moved on.
2, Failed to replicate a winning formula by not adding like for like replacements. For example when Vierra was being touted for Spain or Italy at the end of his time for us, Yaya was sitting on the bench at Barca (natural replacement & we had his brother to help)
3, Continued failure to buy quality where it is needed, recently the striker, CB & DM areas have been woeful & way short of the quality required to compete at the top level.
4, We have regressed in relation to challenging for EPL & CL over the past 10 years.
5, We are playing boring, predictable football that has not evolved at all, trying to play the Barca way without Barca quality players.
Some on here are suggesting that it is "better the devil you know" for the next few years as it could be dangerous to hand over the reigns to a potential "Moyes", but some were saying that before his last contract & so it continues. I would suggest that's its not a case of " Can we risk letting Wenger go" - more like " Can we risk more of the same for the next few years" - especially as others are progressing.

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Just wait till we hit the 8-9 game unbeaten run :lol:

On the point of Yaya Toure, for reasons of factual accuracy i'd point out that when Vieira was touted around, Yaya was playing for Metalurh Donetsk and when Vieira joined Juventus he was playing for Olympiakos until 2006 when he joined Monaco for a season, before then joining Barcelona in 2007.

Also Yaya Toure tweeted abusive things to me because i'd forgotten to post his birthday card.

some suggestion on the Reus transfer that this is part of a wenger/klopp love in as wenger prepares for hand over. soo hope so!

Not sure where to put this but Ozil let out this interesting nugget in his post match Villa comments.

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"We knew exactly what strengths we would have. We analysed Aston Villa before the game and knew how they would play. Especially in the first half, we created some very clear opportunities. We didn't waste our chances - we took them and that made the game easier for us.

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...me-self-belief

Bolded the bit that I'm immensely pleased with.

One of the main criticisms last season was that we did zero research on our opponents and instead focused on our own game which of course led to some of the massive defeats we witnessed with the team refusing to adapt to different opponents. Could this be a sign of a different tact of approach now this year?

Didn't look like that way against Dortmund of course as we looked unprepared with their high intensity pressing game which everyone is familiar with, but maybe that could have genuinely been a bad day at the office instead of something more inherently wrong perhaps?

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

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Just wait till we hit the 8-9 game unbeaten run :lol:

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If a couple of bad performances and results can make all the bed setters wet the bed again then why wouldn't a good run of that length sway people? :shrug:

And while I agree with a lot of Dein-machine's post the last sentence about other teams progressing. Are they? City and Chelsea have spent shitloads again, they will always be hard to compete with though. Has anyone else progressed?

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We analysed Aston Villa before the game and knew how they would play.

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It was a translation error. Substitute 'how' with 'where' and someone set the satnav on the coach.