Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

I surprised people still have the breath to talk about this topic. It's the same every season, good start/poor finish or vice versa. The perception is skewed and the reality is we're no closer to winning the league again and this time don't have the excuse of not having sufficient money to spend.

Flopped hard in Europe once more but sit pretty in the top 4 ready to go again for next season. Granted probably making the cup final again and chalking up a couple of rare wins is great but I'm not going to believe we'll challenge seriously for the league again under Wenger until I see it.

Having said all that, I love the bloke and I just don't care anymore about wanting him to stay or go. He'll go when he's had enough, I just hope he leaves with his legacy stronger than ever.

Jeremy Wilson who's one of those journalists with good sources at the club (alongside Ornstein, John Cross and Amy Lawrence) says that we're not interested at all in Klopp.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...gen-Klopp.html

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Arsenal rule out move for Jurgen Klopp
Arsene Wenger secure in post at Emirates Stadium despite German coach being poised to quit Borussia Dortmund at the end of the season


Arsenal remain certain that Arsene Wenger will lead them forward for at least the remaining two years of his contract, despite news of Jurgen Klopp’s expected departure from Borussia Dortmund.

With Arsenal currently second in the Premier League and Wenger aiming to set a modern-day record this season of six FA Cup wins, there is considerable optimism at the Emirates Stadium about the future.

Klopp has been seen by some as a potential successor to Wenger but the timing of his reported departure from Dortmund means that there is no prospect of Arsenal now making any move for his services.

Arsenal have given thought to how they would deal with the succession to Wenger but that is only in their long-term planning and they believe that their manager is as committed, focused and driven as ever.They also believe that the team has progressed considerably over the past two years and are ready to back him this summer with a transfer budget of around £50 million.

A holding midfielder, defender and possibly a goalkeeper will be the focus for Arsenal’s scouting department but Wenger has been a long-time admirer of Dortmund forward Marco Reus and the departure of Klopp would also make his future less clear.

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Oh well, that's that then. :getcoat:

Let's hope Klopp doesn't end up at City.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Jeremy Wilson who's one of those journalists with good sources at the club (alongside Ornstein, John Cross and Amy Lawrence) says that we're not interested at all in Klopp.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...gen-Klopp.html




Oh well, that's that then. :getcoat:

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Damn. That was quick and it tells us a lot. Then again it could be a journo taking a punt.

Even so, if all the tight bastards are giving him is £50mill after 10 years of waiting and selling our best players then basically - fuck them. Greedy bastards. So much for the improved sponsorship deals.

Does that mean ticket prices will be going down? Or they'll stick with a kit for more than one season? Does it mean pigs will be flying?

£50m would probably only enable us to stand still rather than improve with united, citeh, the spuds and others bound to spend a lot and perhaps more than that

given wengers ample time and resources he's been given anything less than 2nd and I think he should go.

Players still prefer to go to Man U, Chelsea etc. Will believe in Wenger if he can out think Chelsea and Man U tactically in forthcoming fixtures.

Coming 3rd, 2nd or 4th is all the same. Letters flops about depending on our current trajectory. 3 months ago we were almost universal that he should leave. Now after a good run where we are literally 10 points behind Chelsea, out of the CL again. We are hearing how it might be best to stick with a 65 year old, who makes the same mistakes each season. If serendipity hadn't crocked Arteta and given Coquelin a chance, we would still have an immobile DM who can't tackle marshaling our midfield. Wenger will only give a superior player a chance after the inferior player is crocked. We have beaten City, who we can see are the equivalent of a neutered racehorse. But can we beat United and Chelsea and confirm that next season we will be in the running. The reality is that we have to plan for a future without Wenger. Question is do we have to put up with another 5 seasons of no CL trophy and no PL winning just because we are risk averse. No manager guarantees success. Wenger however only guarantees 4th place or slightly better. If we get humbled by either rubbish Chelsea or dogshit United, Letters will be back reluctantly agreeing that Wenger should go, only if the son of God can be tempted to replace him. Anyone else would be a risk.

2nd isn't the same, that wouldn't be fair to say that. We haven't finished second for 10 years after all. :lol:

Still unsure where I stand on this now, it's going to be the old goat's last contract anyway.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Coming 3rd, 2nd or 4th is all the same. Letters flops about depending on our current trajectory. 3 months ago we were almost universal that he should leave. Now after a good run where we are literally 10 points behind Chelsea, out of the CL again. We are hearing how it might be best to stick with a 65 year old, who makes the same mistakes each season. If serendipity hadn't crocked Arteta and given Coquelin a chance, we would still have an immobile DM who can't tackle marshaling our midfield. Wenger will only give a superior player a chance after the inferior player is crocked. We have beaten City, who we can see are the equivalent of a neutered racehorse. But can we beat United and Chelsea and confirm that next season we will be in the running. The reality is that we have to plan for a future without Wenger. Question is do we have to put up with another 5 seasons of no CL trophy and no PL winning just because we are risk averse. No manager guarantees success. Wenger however only guarantees 4th place or slightly better. If we get humbled by either rubbish Chelsea or dogshit United, Letters will be back reluctantly agreeing that Wenger should go, only if the son of God can be tempted to replace him. Anyone else would be a risk.

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We are still nowhere near challenging for the PL trophy. Just because other teams are dogshite does not take away the fact that the season as a whole has been dismal (as usual). I would still give Wenger more time IF he beats Chelsea and wins the FA Cup... the former is more important than winning the FA Cup. You beat a Mourinho team that is fighting for the title and I can give Wenger some credit. Other than that, this little 8 game winning run does nothing for me. We have similar runs almost every season. :rolleyes:

Geez, I don't agree with Letters, but he is entitled to his opinion.

I am however amazed how much he and some others can watch what pretty much mirrors the pattern of previous years and still cling on to the hope that it will be somehow different next season.

I'm not convinced Klopp is the answer, but I'd love to take a punt on him regardless - if only for the prospect of something different.