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01-12-2015, 01:45 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Letters

I agree. But people were still wrong. And those people are now just as confidently predicting other things, still because of their lack of faith in Wenger.
You keep arguing against something I'm not saying.
Yes, of course the league is harder. And until we go and win it people's understandable doubts will remain. But they are doubts, not givens. We don't KNOW what will happen. If I KNEW how the season would pan out, and we'd fail, I wouldn't watch. It would be like re-watching, well, say that Birmingham game. Why put yourself through that again?
Part of the selling point of sport is it's unpredictability and while the money has made it more predictable we still don't KNOW what will happen.
That was my point.

You keep trying to make out as if our FA Cup run was hard. It really wasn't.
01-12-2015, 02:00 PM
Letters

No I don't. As I said above, it's rare for a team to have a very hard FA Cup run and play several of the big boys.
My argument is nothing to do with how easy or hard our FA Cup run was.
01-12-2015, 02:00 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

When people have time to waste. They spend it arguing with Letters.:banghead:

In this case, interestingly, but arguing against something I'm not saying :blink:
01-12-2015, 02:10 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Letters

In this case, interestingly, but arguing against something I'm not saying :blink:

You said we didn't get easy draws. We had tough draws you said. We faced big opponents early in the competition. We played 3 of the top 6

.....excuse me for getting it wrong.
01-12-2015, 02:18 PM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Letters

Plenty of people had written off our chances of winning a trophy under Wenger again, any trophy. So I don't agree.
And we didn't win them because we got the luck of the draw, we had tough games both years - tougher than the teams we went out to the two previous years (Blackburn at home, Sunderland away).

Do you think we'll win the league again under Wenger?
01-12-2015, 03:05 PM
fakeyank

I am very happy with our FA Cup successes, but a club that charges the highest ticket prices in the world shouldnt be bragging about it like we won the league 2 seasons in a row. To put it into perspective, Harry Redknapp and Portsmouth won a FA Cup too.
01-12-2015, 04:37 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by selassie

Do you think we'll win the league again under Wenger?

I believe the squad we've got now has a chance to and we've shown we can finish the job in high pressure games, notably the big Cup games over the last 2 years but Utd at home was a positive sign this season too.

We should have challenged last year but our awful start gave us no chance. The FA Cup win gave Wenger a stay of execution and I, for one, am OK with that. But this year we have to properly challenge. The money is there for us to seriously compete now. The important thing this year was to not get off to a bad start and be out of it before we got going. For all our wobbles here and there we've also got some good league results, we went on that good run of 5 games, and no-one else has gone on a long, consistent run. So, for now, we're in touch. So long as that remains the case I'll believe we have a chance.

You're asking if we think we will win it under Wenger again and the answer to that is I don't know for sure until we do. Do I think we can though? Yes I do. And my point, before I got dragged down a cul-de-sac, was that none of us know for sure right now. If we did we wouldn't watch. There would be no point. The "last 10 years" argument is spurious. For most of that time we haven't had a squad good enough to compete, the new financial deals saw the signing of s different level of player. It's already yielded 2 trophies and a long enough league run to indicate we do have a squad good enough to compete over the course of a season. Doubts will remain till we actually do it but I believe we can.

If we fail to properly challenge because of the failure to sign properly in the summer or the annual injury pile up which cannot be just bad luck then Wenger should be sacked. But I, for one, will wait till it happens and despite the recent wobble it hasn't happened yet.
01-12-2015, 04:39 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I am very happy with our FA Cup successes, but a club that charges the highest ticket prices in the world shouldnt be bragging about it like we won the league 2 seasons in a row.

They aren't.
01-12-2015, 04:49 PM
selassie

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Originally Posted by Letters

I believe the squad we've got now has a chance to and we've shown we can finish the job in high pressure games, notably the big Cup games over the last 2 years but Utd at home was a positive sign this season too.

We should have challenged last year but our awful start gave us no chance. The FA Cup win gave Wenger a stay of execution and I, for one, am OK with that. But this year we have to properly challenge. The money is there for us to seriously compete now. The important thing this year was to not get off to a bad start and be out of it before we got going. For all our wobbles here and there we've also got some good league results, we went on that good run of 5 games, and no-one else has gone on a long, consistent run. So, for now, we're in touch. So long as that remains the case I'll believe we have a chance.

You're asking if we think we will win it under Wenger again and the answer to that is I don't know for sure until we do. Do I think we can though? Yes I do. And my point, before I got dragged down a cul-de-sac, was that none of us know for sure right now. If we did we wouldn't watch. There would be no point. The "last 10 years" argument is spurious. For most of that time we haven't had a squad good enough to compete, the new financial deals saw the signing of s different level of player. It's already yielded 2 trophies and a long enough league run to indicate we do have a squad good enough to compete over the course of a season. Doubts will remain till we actually do it but I believe we can.

If we fail to properly challenge because of the failure to sign properly in the summer or the annual injury pile up which cannot be just bad luck then Wenger should be sacked. But I, for one, will wait till it happens and despite the recent wobble it hasn't happened yet.

Fair enough. I hear what you are saying about none of us knowing but I'm of the opinion that we can't and won't win the league again with Wenger in charge due to his flawed approach.

I'd love to be proven wrong but I see no difference in his approach now to what I did 5 years ago. Sure he has improved the first XI and is more willing to splash on special players, but outside of that the same mistakes are being repeated and quite frankly he has no excuses now, he has absolutely nothing and nobody to hide behind.
01-12-2015, 04:53 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

You said we didn't get easy draws. We had tough draws you said. We faced big opponents early in the competition. We played 3 of the top 6

.....excuse me for getting it wrong.

As in almost any Cup run we had some easy draws and some tough ones.
Our runs were neither unusually easy hard or easy. For comparison, here are the runs of the previous 3 FA Cup winners before us:

Wigan:

Bournemouth home D1-1
Bournemouth away W1-0
Macclesfield Town away W1-0
Huddersfield Town away W4-1
Everton away W3-0
Millwall neutral W2-0
Manchester City neutral W1-0

Chelsea:
Portsmouth home W4-0
Queens Park Rangers away W1-0
Birmingham City home D1-1
Birmingham City away W2-0
Leicester City home W5-2
Tottenham Hotspur neutral W5-1
Liverpool neutral W2-1

City:
Leicester City away D2-2
Leicester City home W4-2
Notts County away D1-1
Notts County home W5-0
Aston Villa home W3-0
Reading home W1-0
Manchester United neutral W1-0
Stoke City neutral W1-0

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